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James Rader

10-03-2006 15:01:23




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I just found two cracks in the frame work on my old ford brush hog that I need to sure up before using it again. I own a good Miller 220V stick (arc) and have done some welding, but most of my welds just are not that great. I have never been trained so I have tried to mimick what I had seen others do, but just haven't got the hang of it. So here is my question, anyone know of a place on the net that could give me enough basics that I can lay some practice beads and at least learn the technique before I booger up my equipment? I also don't know how to determine what setting to put my welder on for different thickness' of metal... I have been told to pull a bead, push a bead, zig zag, half circles... what is right?

Thanks guys (and gals)

James

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Ultradog MN

10-04-2006 06:33:21




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
If you're anywhere close to Aitkin MN bring it on over. I'll weld it up for a 6 pack and let you drink half of it.
I was a certified welder once upon a time and can still glue things together pretty well.
Jerry



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James Rader

10-04-2006 19:35:07




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to Ultradog MN, 10-04-2006 06:33:21  
Ultradog, not any place close and the hardest thing I drink from a 6 pack is Mountain Dew's Live Wire... Don't know if that would buy the weld or not?

I had by BIL help pull the bolts out near the break and the cracks both go straight into the bolt holes, so I may add some metal to it when I weld it up.



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James Rader

10-03-2006 19:20:25




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
Wow you folks are great...

I have checked with the local community college and they have a great course... however it is $729 and it conflicts with my work schedule. I had not thought of the High schools... I will check into that one.

The web links provided have been awesome! I have been over reading on them learning some important tips but most important I have some idea why my welds are turning out poorly. Thanks for the info and help.

James

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Hobo,NC

10-04-2006 05:17:05




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 19:20:25  
When I wuz 14 my dad hauled my rear down to the local welding shop and told me that wuz were I wuz to spend my summer. I werked their all summer and got paid a whopping $8 fer my time. I did learn to weld good enough to git by for my needs. Musta been good enough fer them I bet I burned a truck load of rods. After all these years I have had the $8 figger in my head. Owner of thew shop told me to keep that 8 figger in my head. I could of made big money in the baccer fields., so now I kin add $729 to it and it don’t look so bad. I took welding in high school, rite off the bat we had to weld 2 pieces of flat sreel at a perfect 90 degree angle. I jumped rite in did my test piece gave it to the teach and became hiz pet fer 4 years. He wuz a farmer so I think I welded all every thing hiz farm had and made’em sum neat stuff. I do not proclaim to be a professional and try not and let customers know I kin weld. I kin not figger out how I would ever git along whit out the ability to weld or enny one else would for that matter. Good to know now I am $729 more to the good. I git a kid from the local tinker teck every now and again that has to take welding to git a 2 year degree in automotive ???? I have yet to find one that kin weld a lick. If their mind izz not init then it wuz a waste of time. Their dad should of tanned their rear fer wasting hiz money. My son izz off to collage, I never could git’em interested in welding, I told’em one day I ain’t gonna be around good luck. Do it you will enjoy it. $729 richer I think I will take the day off.

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dan hill

10-04-2006 04:02:04




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 19:20:25  
Find a professional welder who will teach you the basics and pay for his or her time.Get an extra helmet and watch welding being done right.There is a difference in how rods perform from different makers.6013 or 7014 are best for beginners.



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ZANE

10-03-2006 17:30:02




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
Get some 1/4" flat stock, some 6011 1/8" stick rods. Set the welder at about 85% and start practicing. Try flat first and then lean the work piece up to about a 45% angle and weld from bottome to top.

I never had a lesson in my life and I can weld anything that the average welder can weld. May not be as pretty sometimes but it holds stuff together.

Zane



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Na, Better yet..........

10-03-2006 18:39:10




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to ZANE, 10-03-2006 17:30:02  
Get some 6013, you can weld like a pro with it



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old

10-03-2006 17:25:25




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
If your local high school has a Vo-Teck school for around $100 you can take a class to learn to weld. Also a libarty will probably a book you can check out to use to learn. I learned the hard way to weld and have been doing it for around 35-40 year and retired from welding. I learned by books and talking to old timers in the welding field

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ron,ar

10-03-2006 18:29:16




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 and I can remember in reply to old, 10-03-2006 17:25:25  
I remember growing up, that welding was THE trade to have! If you could weld-you could work!!



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old

10-03-2006 21:01:24




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 Re: and I can remember in reply to ron,ar, 10-03-2006 18:29:16  
Yep my first welder was a lincoln but not the good brand. All it was, was a box with 2 coils in it and it used 110 volts. But I did learn from it, I think I might even still have it some place around here. Then I went in the navy and a good friend was a Hull teck and he showed me more. When I got out of the navy a guy up the road who was a retired pipe line welder taught me a lot more. Years ago I could tig weld a beer can back togeather and it would hold beer but thats been 15-20 years ago I don't think I could still do that

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Pooh Bear

10-03-2006 16:53:18




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
Here is a great online learning site.

Fundamentals of Professional Welding

Pooh Bear



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duey

10-03-2006 16:22:08




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
Given your experience, go to the store and buy an assortment of one or two pounds each of several rod types (different numbers). You may find that some you'll not be fond of, and others that will be your friend. See what works.

Get some different diameter rod, too, 3/32... 1/8.. and a few 5/32.... variety is the spice of life.... HAVE FUN.


duey



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ron,ar

10-03-2006 16:03:08




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
James, I am no expert but have welded lots of things in my lifetime. Make sure you use a DRY rod, damp or wet rods just make it harder to weld. I would practice a lot just to get in the habit of starting the weld and also you need to watch the weld, see what the puddle is doing. Some of those old cutter decks are thin so don't turn the heat up too high. No two machines weld the same, so telling you what to set it on is not easy. I would set it on 70-90 and see how it works. I use a figure-8 motion on mild steel using a 6011 rod. Remember keep the rod moving. I like to run a good bead with 6011 and then run a bead of 7018 but it is not necessary. One thing that I do that has always helped me is this...wrap the welding lead over your forearm one time, this lets your arm hold the weight of the heavy cord while you control the stinger/rod with your hand and wrist. It helps "balance" the rod holder. You would be surprised at how much difference it makes. Just make sure the cord has not got bare spots on it. You CAN get shocked welding, always wear gloves and a quality, good fitting helment. Burnt eyes mean a miserable night and usually a trip to the ER. Practice, practice,practice!

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BillGA

10-03-2006 15:56:07




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
The five-part welding series in the "Maintenance and Mechanical Information" section of the "articles" section of "Research & Info" at this site is pretty impressive.



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Jack-Illinois

10-03-2006 15:35:05




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
Just did a google and came up with Linclon site. I learned to weld in high school Ag class. You might check with your local school to see if they have any information they will loan you or they may even offer classes. A lot of it is just practicing on old scrap and getting the feel of what works for you. When you weld your mower deck, drill a small hole at the end of each crack before welding. If you don't lots of times the crack will continue on after a while.

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hvw

10-03-2006 15:33:29




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 Re: OT Welding in reply to James Rader, 10-03-2006 15:01:23  
Hobart used to have a pretty good forum. I haven't used it lately but you might want to take a look. Meanwhile, why not just get some scrap metal and run some practice beads as suggested? A bunch of them. In welding practice makes perfect. If you're stick welding I don't think you have to worry too much about pushing or pulling. You want good penetration and you want the stick to mix well in the puddle with both peices you're trying to join. That's why you're zig zagging or doing half circles. To cover everything. Pulling is probably best for that in my opinion. And I ain't no expert. Remember too, you aren't building a piano so don't be overly critical. It takes practice.

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