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clutch replacement: how long / how hard

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Teacj

10-08-2006 05:18:30




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I need to replace the clutch, pressure plate, etc in my tractor but I have never split a tractr before or changed any clutch before. I got the clutch alignment tool with the clutch kit. How hard is the job? How long might it take if it goes smoothly? What specialized tools might I need? What hints can anyone impart to aid in this being a successful job? What is the secret to putting the two halves of the tractor back together? Do I need long pieces of all thread to draw it back together or should it just push back together? I need to get the job done soon and fast since the grass has been neglected for a while and have tons of school papers to grade which continue to pile up. Any insight and wisdom would greatly be appreciated.
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teach

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Tigerhaze

10-09-2006 17:15:32




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
I did a clutch replacement on my 8N last year. I had done clutches for cars but it was my first time splitting a tractor.

It really isn't as hard as it looks in the manuals. I am going by memory here so if the details aren't perfect, don't jump on me.

You will need to lift the steering with a cherry picker to clear the housing before splitting. You will also need to disconnect a few items such as throttle linkage to clear the steering.
The info about supporting the front and rear are pretty important; I found out the hard way that you really need two people to easily split the tractor and make sure it is supported well (the rear housing slipped off the jackstand and hit the pavement-luckily no damage). While you are in there, be prepared to blow/spray out a lot of disc shavings from the housing. Not only should you do the pilot and throwout bearings as well as clutch and pressure plate and clutch input shaft seal, but also think about replacing the brake/clutch pedal shaft bushings and clutch fork if worn. It's all right there and accesible.

I also found it a little tricky to get the pressure plate fingers pushed out (the little wood blocks they recommend don't always work well) and the flywheel and clutch components are darn heavy in the akward position you will probably be in. There again, a little easier with a second set of hands. It should roll back together smoothly. Watch torquing the bellhousing bolts as I stripped out one of mine (the old threads can be pretty worn). If I remember anything else, I'll post it up.

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Ross Pugh(NC)

10-08-2006 17:27:21




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
I would suggest using a cherry picker if ye have one, if not, borrow or rent one. Split it on a smoothe concrete floor like a carport or patio so ye can roll the cherry picker. Threaded rods or bolts work good to help bolt it back together.



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Bob

10-08-2006 20:17:18




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 10-08-2006 17:27:21  
Good grief, Russ!

The last thing you want to do when putting a "split" tractor back together is to pull it together with bolts or threaded rods.

If the clutch splines are lined up properly, the two halves will simply roll back together with very little force, and if the splines are NOT lined up, force will only wreck the clutch disc!



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Pooh Bear

10-08-2006 11:12:43




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
I'm in a wheelchair (I can walk very short distances),
and it took me 4 days to do it. Start to finish.
The first day was all setup work.
The second day was splitting the tractor.
The third day was changing the clutch, PP, etc.
The fourth day was putting it all back together.

The setup day was the hardest. I went out to a
flat shady spot in the yard. Dug two post holes
6 feet apart and 18 inches deep. Put up two 10 foot
posts an braced them both real good from 3 sides.
Put a cross member on top of the posts to hang a
come-along from.
The next day I drove the tractor between the posts
and started working on it. Went real easy.
Wished I had took pictures.

If I can do it, anybody can.

Pooh Bear

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ron,ar

10-08-2006 07:50:33




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 one more thing in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
It was not stated here by Zane and others but you have to be aware that even tho the front end is supported by the wide axle and it would appear to be stable like the rear half, it is not. Because the front axle is pinned in the middle and "floats" on this pin, the only thing that keeps it fron turning sideways is the radius arms and being bolted to a solid rear half. It usually wont turn over when split but will scare you to death and maybe get you hurt and make the job more difficult at reassembly. This is why Zane and others said support it by the steering shaft. It keeps it from tilting sideways. If you don"t have an overhead support to tie off to, you will have to really block the front half in a way to keep it from tilting. I have driven wooden blocks/wedges under the front axle between the axle and front engine support as well as supporting the back of the engine. This helps some but supporting from the top (steering shaft) is better. Work safe, don"t get hurt.

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Stumpalump

10-08-2006 07:25:47




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
It took mt wife and I 1.5 hours from start to clutch laying on the floor. Thats gettin tools out and everything. The F04 service book is dead on. The trick like Zane was showing you is lifting the steering with dash and hood still on.
We used a tie down ratchet strap looped over the garage rafter. Then we just lifted enough for clearance. The getting it back together for me was simple. I did it alone BUT I have fought the hassles of lining engines back together befor. So on my tractor split I made sure I was parked on level concrete and I had two nice floor jacks.
Sweeping the floor clean and oil the wheels on the floor jacks first will help.If it wont slide together change the height of the jacks and just keep trying, Actually since you have the rear tires to roll it's a nice job. Ditch the clutch alignment tool and unbolt and use the shaft coming out of your trannsmission. You need to change this seal anyway. Trust this. Ask if not sure. I'm not telling you much that I have't leared on this website myself. Oh and don't forgit to hook up the oil pressure line before you start it. Big mess.

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ZANE

10-08-2006 05:49:59




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
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Hang the front end by the steering shaft.

Put a rolling jack under the clutch housing.

Look at the picture.

This is a 600 series but the 8N can be done the same way.

Zane



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Dan

10-08-2006 05:40:49




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Teacj, 10-08-2006 05:18:30  
I will leave the actual splitting part to the manuals - if you don't have an I&T manual - get one. The job is not that hard, and you will be able to do it fine. I will "assume" this is for a 9N/2N/8N tractor...

Do this on a hard surface, and I use a good hydraulic floor jack on the engine side to push/pull the front half away from the blocked up back half. I got two 6" 7/16" - 14 bolts and cut the big hex head off. This way I can screw these into the engine half and use them as guides as I am pushing the two parts back together. DO NOT use a screw to force them back together, tighten all bolts once they are mated completely and not until then. You can spin the PTO shaft to get the input shaft splines to mate up with the clutch - of course, it will need to be engaged.

Be careful with the clutch pressure plate to flywheel bolts. They are a special bolt and replacements are about $6 EACH. Most apply too much torque to these bolts and snap them, they really don't need as much as you would think. The I&T manual does not state a torque value, it just says tighten them evenly.

I suggest you replace your pilot and maybe your throw out bearings as well if it needs it, and replace the input shaft housing oil seal while you have it split.

Project should take 4 hours or less, no special tools are required, and it is a fairly straight forward job.

Good luck,
Dan

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Bob

10-08-2006 06:43:31




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 Re: clutch replacement: how long / how hard in reply to Dan, 10-08-2006 05:40:49  
For replacement pressure plate bolts, stop at the Deere dealer... part # L372T, @ $0.84 each.

They are good bolts, and can be torqued to 18 ft./lbs..



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