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ron,ar

10-19-2006 20:42:52




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Please do not misunderstand me, I mean no dis-respect to anyone here, you have helped me a lot but.... I am still having a slight problem with my 48 8N carb and the symptoms all point to that ever elusive "bowl-vent". I have a manual, I have several manuals in fact. I even have an old,old Motors manual that shows the same carb on old Ford trucks from back in the 40's. It is very descriptive and has some of the best photos and drawings I have seen of this carb but...I have yet to find a single picture of that danged vent. I read these posts often and this VENT keeps coming up over and over. I know I am not the only one wanting to know the answer. PLEASE, someone, anyone, post a legible picture of that danged vent so we can get that settled once and for all. WHERE IS THAT BOWL VENT? Where is the vent? Is it like bigfoot? Lots of folks believe it is there but no one actually sees it? Maybe Dell took it to Colorado and gave it to his old highschool sweetheart? How about it Dell? You hide the vent from us? Huh? well, didja Dell? Sorry for the long post fellers, I just wanted to "vent" some:^)

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Jerry/MT

10-20-2006 21:26:19




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 Re: the alleged carb vent in reply to ron,ar, 10-19-2006 20:42:52  
The M-S carb, as are almost all carbs, is a presure balanced design. That means the the fuel bowl is vented to the carb air inlet. This is to make the mixture ratio relatively insenstive to the air cleaner restiction to prevent mixture enrichment as the aircleaner gets dirty. With this tube/passage blocked, there is no way for the fuel bowl to vent. Some people drill a vent hole or cut the gasket and that will work, but it defeats the purpose of the pressure balanced design and causes the mixture tobecome enriched with air cleaner restriction.
I won't swear that I have this right, but if I recall correctly (it's not like I take it apart every day), my TSX 458 has a small drilled hole in the air inlet near the choke plate. I believe this connects to one of the two holes in the web between the float bowls. I believe this in turn connects to a region above the float pivot where the is a hole in the gasket to finally provide the venting.

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ZANE

10-20-2006 08:10:55




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 Re: the alleged carb vent in reply to ron,ar, 10-19-2006 20:42:52  
I am assuming you read the informative article that HOBO posted. That is it right on the head sir. The other vent mentioned has nothing to do with the bowl vent. The one on the air inlet is simply there to let excess gas drip out when the engine is not running.

I have run into several Marvel Shrebler carburetors over the years that had the "bowl vent" blocked/pluged and the symptoms are that the engine will crank and run for a limited time and them begin to have symptoms of too lean a mixture that can sometimes be helped by chocking but will eventually not even run choked but after sitting a mintute or so will start right back up and run OK for a little longer or until the pressure in the bowl becomes equal to the pressure in the intake venturi area.

I have fixed the symptoms by drilling a small hole in the top of the bowl area so that barametric pressure can enter the bowl or I have cut a small gap in the carburetor bowl gasket to do the same thing.

Or you can take the carburetor apart and vat it in a good carburetor cleaner and blow it out and then probe the vent orifices with a welders tip cleaner and put it all back together.

One of those fixes will stop the bowl pressures from preventing it from drawing in gas to the venturi area of the intake.

Zane

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ron,ar

10-20-2006 11:13:54




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 I agree... in reply to ZANE, 10-20-2006 08:10:55  
There are two different "vents" mentioned on this thread. The one I am referring to is the BOWL vent that allows air on top of the float bowl to escape the bowl as fuel enters. If it is clogged the air is trapped and will not allow fuel to enter. This is especially true if the two halves are a really tight fit. Basically air has to get out to let fuel in. Hobo's factory pictures do indeed show the location of this vent in Group 2-engine Section S Fuel System of his PDF file. I have vatted this carb twice, once in Gunk carb cleaner and another time in Napa's brand and washed it with hot water, blew out with compressed air. I finally drilled a small hole in the top of the upper half and temporarily solved the problem. Evidently the vent is plugged internally. Knowing the location will help in opening the passage. It may be that there is a wire or something from a previous attempt to overhaul this carb. Thanks fellas.

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Hobo,NC

10-20-2006 05:53:04




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 Re: the alleged carb vent in reply to ron,ar, 10-19-2006 20:42:52  
Look here



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ron,ar

10-20-2006 11:17:00




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 thanks hobo in reply to Hobo,NC, 10-20-2006 05:53:04  
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Your site was really helpfully but I keep seeing this picture show up at different sites concerning the Main jet. When did they move it to the choke chamber:^)



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Hobo,NC

10-20-2006 11:56:11




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 Re: thanks hobo in reply to ron,ar, 10-20-2006 11:17:00  
I see what ya mean, I spec its under the main nozzel, guess the line got off sumwere.



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Henry M

10-20-2006 04:47:43




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 Re: the alleged carb vent in reply to ron,ar, 10-19-2006 20:42:52  
Joe

That was a "right on" description of that legendary vent. I don't even fiddle with them.

It amazes me as to how many subscribe to the urban legend that they have a lot to do with the way a tractor runs. Well I guess if they are totaly clogged and the carb is leaking inside and gas is accumulating down there there might be a little richness on start up.

Should be some interesting dust raised here lol.

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Joe (IN)

10-19-2006 22:29:41




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 Re: the alleged carb vent in reply to ron,ar, 10-19-2006 20:42:52  
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The bowl vent itself is internal and can't be seen from the outside. They are just passages drilled in the throttle body between the float chamber and the inlet airflow below the venturi. Now the vent that gets discussed here from time to time is on the very bottom of the carb and can be seen. It's located in the bottom of the air inlet area and is more of a drain than a vent. You can clearly see it in this picture. All it is is a sintered iron plug staked in placed in the body. Its purpose is to allow fuel that may accumulate in the air inlet from a flooded condition or whatever drain out of the air inlet without admitting unfiltered outside air. They are typically plugged with varnish or painted over anyway. A functioning drain is not crucial to proper carb operation.

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