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How do they get that glossy finish?

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Scott1ky

10-25-2006 17:59:30




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Hey all,

I've decided to take the block of my 1948 8n and haul it to the machine shop. They have agreed to look at it and tell me exactly what my engine is going to need maybe to include a complete overhaul. They will give me an estimate on the costs and then I'll have to decide whether it will be worth investing in this engine or to order a rebuilt one. My block has several really big cracks in it that were brazed by a previous owner. I found a local dealer who sells rebuilt engines for $1,800. I've already rebuilt my transmission, carburetor, generator and done a whole lot of work to the rear end of the tractor. I don't have the tools to do the work on the engine, so I thought it would be best to have a machine shop do it.

While I'm waiting I'm just starting to think about later down the road when it's time to paint. I've been to several parades and tractor shows over the past couple of weeks. I have a 1952 that my dad and I restored and put it in the shows. It looks really good but it doesn't have that mirror gloss like many of the show tractors. The '52 was my first restoration, and feel like I will continue to get better as I've gained some experience on restoring these tractors.

On my '52 I used PPG Acrylic Enamel automotive paint with hardner, which seems to be good stuff, and has some gloss when I wax it. I did not clear coat it however. So can someone fill me in on the "secret to the gloss?" I want to go for a glossier finish on this tractor.

Thanks,
Scott

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Gaspump

10-26-2006 06:19:16




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-25-2006 17:59:30  
FYI the extreme high gloss you see on those show tractors likely is from using a high gloss acrylic catalyst in the paint. One popular one is Transtar Super Wet Look #8108.

Yes all Ford Tractors came out of the factory with high gloss enamel of the day and they did have a high shine but using high gloss catalyst will surpass most any shine.



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Scott1ky

10-26-2006 07:15:35




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Gaspump, 10-26-2006 06:19:16  
Can this product be used in any kind of paint? Are there compatibility issues with certain types?



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Gaspump

10-26-2006 10:25:28




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-26-2006 07:15:35  
Says it is for acrylic enamel, check with your local auto paint store for compatible products, DuPont and PPG have some great new industrial coatings that ate less money than Centari and PPG acrylics and perform nearly as well.



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Dell (WA)

10-25-2006 18:29:44




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-25-2006 17:59:30  
Scott..... ..would it surprize you to learn the 8N's original gray sheetmetal paint was really a "semi-gloss" paint? You want gloss? You will need to paint a "clear-coat" as your final and wet-sand it.

As for yer "brazed" cracks in yer castiron block. Brazing castiron is a "good fix". Better'n welding. Welding invaribly leads to more cracks because of the long term cool-down requirment and inablility to control it unless you have an OVEN large enuff to hold the N-Block for 12-hrs..... ....Dell, the 20/20 painter (looks good at 20ft or 20mph

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Scott1ky

10-26-2006 07:23:50




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Dell (WA), 10-25-2006 18:29:44  
So maybe my '52 is more like original than those guys at the shows with the extremly glossy finish? :)

A couple of things I still don't understand about clearcoating. You mentioned wet sanding before putting on the clear as final coat. So does this mean after you get your 1-2 coats of paint underneath, you scratch up your nice and shiney fresh paint job so you can put on the clearcoat? How can you sand it by hand evenly enough so that it doesn't show through the clearcoat? It seems like sanding your paint would really mark it up like primer. I don't know if I would have the nerve to sand my paintjob if it really looked good. Can you use a clearcoat with regular alkyd enamel or do you have to go with the automotive quality paint?

Obviously I'm not a professional painter I'm just am amateur. But even though my amateur job may not look as good as a professional, what I like about it is the sence of "I did it" when it's done. And it even looks good!
Thanks,
Scott

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Dell (WA)

10-26-2006 08:57:15




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-26-2006 07:23:50  
Scott..... ..yer asking technical questions from an amature painter that advocates using a paint roller for painting the sheetmetal and a 3" brush for castiron. But iff'n you want "shinny", then clearcoat is the way to go. You do know Yesterdays Tractors also has a paint board too, don't you? They have several guys that really know this paint stuff. Better painting thru chemistry..... ..Dell, the 20/20 painter

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souNdguy

10-25-2006 18:25:52




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-25-2006 17:59:30  
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I guess you could clear coat it.. however, all I have ever done is use hardner in my alkyd based paints.

The last few i have painted, you can see yourself in the finish.

I'll post a closeup pic of my 5000.. You can see the luster of the paint.

Soundguy

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ron,ar

10-25-2006 18:45:21




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 amen on that hardener in reply to souNdguy, 10-25-2006 18:25:52  
I painted a few things without it, just because I was out and too cheap to get some more and it was too far into town and I was in a hurry. NEVER AGAIN!! There is a world of difference in how it dries/cures when you add the right hardner. BTW-that is a nice 5000.



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souNdguy

10-26-2006 04:20:13




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 Re: amen on that hardener in reply to ron,ar, 10-25-2006 18:45:21  
Thanks. it took some work... not that it was in bad shape.. but I'm used to messing around with small tractors.. everything on this one was 'big'.

I agree about the hardner. I have a tractor painted without it.. -huge- difference in the finish. even cheaper alkyd paint 26$/gallon and 8$ hardner make a huge difference.

Soundguy



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Scott1ky

10-25-2006 18:33:45




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 Re: How do they get that glossy finish? in reply to souNdguy, 10-25-2006 18:25:52  
That is a really nice looking 5000.



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