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Gino

10-28-2006 15:18:48




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I looked at a 9N today that when I got there was not running after about 2and one half hours we were ablr to get it started. I noticed that on the oil filter side near the patcock there was what appears to be a crack running on either side of the pet cock almost through the center and another one a little higher just under neath the freeze plug. I saw these when I first arrived but didn't mention it because I wanted to see if we could get it started. After the engine was running and hot I would have expected that anti-freeze would be running out of both of them but it never did it just seeps. Is this repairable or should I walk/run away?

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Gino

10-29-2006 14:39:03




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
Thanks for all the input. I had not considered the internal crack possibility. I think I will pass on this one.



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Dan

10-29-2006 07:33:29




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
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Your problem really isn't the crack you see - it is the cracks you DON'T see. My 48 8N had a big "Y" shaped crack on the side of the block that was brazed when I bought it. Since it did not leak, I did not negotiate the price (which was STILL too much I later learned). I am rebuilding this tractor now over 3 years after buying it and my machine shop called me up to come take a look at some issues after he vatted it. The circles in this pic shows the internal cracks that were leaking. There is another identical crack leading into the #3 cylinder as well as the one you see here on the #2 cylinder.

The block was cracked due to freezing water. Not only does it crack on the outside - but many times on the internal surfaces as well. Antifreeze is not kind on main and rod bearing surfaces - my crank was already turned 20 under for the mains and 30 under on the rods. I had to grind to 30/40 under respectively now. I gave up on the block and found another used one with no cracks. Could mine have been repaired? Yes - but at a high cost. As it was, it still cost me $250 for the used block.

If you take the chance - negotiate like you will need to replace the block plus the labor it will take.

Just my $.02 learned the hard way.

Dan

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Hobo,NC

10-29-2006 05:54:32




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
My answer to yer ?? Cracked block, you kin easily put 2K in a good block do you want to put 2K in a tractor with a cracked block. Why would one want to start out with a problem. Offer 1K or less it’s a parts tractor now or the way I would look at it and not a good parts tractor at that cuzz the big money part izz cracked, git out of the way next sucker please.


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Marty 2N IL

10-29-2006 05:27:26




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
For 2500 and only a blade. You already have 2 1/2 hours invested just to get it to run, and a cracked block. Sounds like the tractor has been seirously neglected. RUN FAST



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guest

10-29-2006 03:58:46




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
I think if you advertised a
"N tractor with cracked block"
with a price over $1000 you would
get no lookers.
The seller can justify the crack
as only superficial, but buyers
beware.
A blade is $50-$100 used.

There are a lot of tractors out there
in the $2500 RANGE.



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Well...John,PA

10-28-2006 15:40:34




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
I don't think that small crack will give you a problem. My 9N has a small crack in the general vicinity as you describe. It was brazed , would you believe, at the factory. I know this because my dad bought the 9N new in '41. There is just a little "seep" when the tractor is cold and seals itself when the engine warms up.

I was going to do the "JB weld (tm)" trick. But, why hide the defect? However, for reselling purposes, I guess it would be a good thing to do.

Depending on the price that you are being asked for the "N", you can always JB weld it later.

Hope this helps. John,PA

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Gino

10-28-2006 18:06:43




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Well...John,PA, 10-28-2006 15:40:34  
Thanks for the reply"s. Asking price is $2500 with a heavy duty blade no other attachments. I"m sure the axel seals need replaced along with the brakes otherwise it seems to be in good shape. I think I"ll see if he will come down any on the price.



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I agree..John,PA

10-29-2006 04:50:59




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 18:06:43  
I agree that 2500 is a bit much. However, 1500 would be more in keeping with the amount of work and investment on your part to find all those worn items that you will eventually replace.

If you plan onkeeping the tractor for a long time, the final investment should be worth it.

When it comes to cracked blocks, even though someone would JB weld the crack, isn't the block "still cracked"?



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ron,ar

10-28-2006 19:43:27




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 9N for 2500? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 18:06:43  
If you had serious questions about it even starting to begin with and all you get is a blade AND it has a cracked block, well IMHO it is way overpriced or else the rest of it better be in good shape. Somebody else here may disagree but I would have to run backwards.



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RP-40-9N

10-28-2006 15:27:39




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 Re: Cracked block? in reply to Gino, 10-28-2006 15:18:48  
GINO, I HAVE FIXED SEVERAL CRACKED BLOCKS WITH J B WELD WHEN THEY ARE EASY TO GET TO, HOWEVER I WOULD SERIOUSLY DISCOUNT THE PRICE I WOULD PAY FOR A TRACTOR WITH A CRACKED BLOCK SINCE ITS A GAMBLE ON THE BUYERS PART. RP



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