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BILLY JACK LEWI

11-01-2006 12:30:14




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need help !!!!!
ALL NEW ENGINE overhaul kit with electronic igniton Runs good new carb. but no power.what about timing.
need help
Bily Jack




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RP-40-9N

11-02-2006 12:42:46




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
BILLY, first i can only pray that you didnt put champion plugs in like i did on my farmall cub. if so theyre allready covered with thick-black-soot. next you may have to open the throtle jet another turn or two, other than that i would suspect the govenor. RP



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dave guest

11-01-2006 18:34:28




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
Are you using half choke or so until everything warms up? Guess you are in a cold area, most everywhere now. Might take 5-15 minutes to run real good with heavy load. Tell us more.



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Bob

11-01-2006 16:42:30




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
Unfortunately, there are NO spark timing marks available on th front-mount "N"'s.

With the breaker points, the timing was "bench set" on the distributor, with it removed, using a straight edge, and following a diagram as to the orientation of the distributor shaft just as the points began to open. The reference point of the points just opening is lost with the electronic ignition.

If you are at all familiar with engines, it is easy enough to make a #1 TDC mark on the front pulley, then a mark at 25 degrees before the TDC mark, to use with a timing light, to verify running timing advance at high idle.

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edk

11-01-2006 15:07:48




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 born losers in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
Billy Jack, in all the movies I ever watched Billy Jack could fix any problem or situation simply by removing his hat and taking off his boots and socks. Sometimes it took a kick to the head or break somebody's arm but no matter the problem Billy was able to fix it! Try a few of these or maybe a round house and see if it helps.



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edk

11-01-2006 15:07:13




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 movie in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
Billy Jack, in all the movies I ever watched Billy Jack could fix any problem or situation simply by removing his hat and taking off his boots and socks. Sometimes it took a kick to the head or break somebody"s arm but no matter the problem Billy was able to fix it! Try a few of these or maybe a round house and see if it helps.



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BILLY JACK LEWIS

11-01-2006 14:32:12




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
THE SYSTEM IS A 12 VOLT, WITH AN ELECTRIC FRONTMOMT 4 WIRE DISTRIBUTOR. IT HAS NEW SPARK PLUGS AND WIRES, FIRING ORDER CORRECT AND STRONG, AND A NEW CARBIRATOR.
THE POBLEM IS IT BOUGS DOWN UNDER A LOAD LIKE A BRUHHOG OR WITH A LOG ON FORKS GOING UP HILL. RPM"S ARE GOOD UNTIL PUT IN A BIND. BILLY JACK



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Joe (IN)

11-01-2006 21:25:20




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 14:32:12  
Did ya rework the governor while it was tore down? It sounds like it might not be compensating when the engine loads. Possibly flat spots on the balls or grooved races. Have a look at it. Tie a string to the throttle rod and put a load on it. Give the string a tug when it starts to bog and see if it digs in and pulls. If it does, governor overhaul time.



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ha BJ

11-01-2006 15:36:05




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 14:32:12  
Using all caps is considered YELLING!!!!! !!



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uh . . . Dell (WA)

11-01-2006 18:33:18




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 Re: no power in reply to ha BJ, 11-01-2006 15:36:05  
Billy Jack..... ..thank you for your soft return. I know you are frustrated, relax and chill for a while. Now pay attention and listen closely.

Even though you claim the firing order is correct, convince me. Why? Because these N-Engines are soooo goood that they will run and start on just 2-cylinders and until you load them with a brushhog you won't know it. Because of the weirdness of the 4-nipple frontmount distributor, it is very eazy to miss-wire their firing order; 1,2,4,3 CCW. You say replaced the sparkie wires and that raises a red-flag with me, usually sparkies #4 & #3 gitt swapped. Humor me and re-check them, thank you.

As for checking the timing on the frontmount distributor, it is best done by a ruler and the picture in the I&T FO-4 manual. You CANNOT check or adjust the timing with a timing light. Its just the way it is. (tip: timing RETARD is available on an adjustable slot at side distributor. MAX ADVANCE is bottom of the slot, try that) Too much advance makes the engine hard to start, you retard the spark for eazier starting. The low compression N-Engine was designed for 70-octaine gasoline in 1939, even the cheapest gas available today is 87-octaine. Don't worry about knockking from over-advancing. Just worry about being retarded enuff for eazy starting.

You say you installed an electronic ignition module. That raises a red-flag to me. Your complaint of lack of high-rpm power can be cause by using a TOO-LONG mounting screw so that it sticks thru the points mounting plate and catches and STOPS the centrifical advance so that you have NO ADVANCE and lack high-rpm power. Check it out.

OR.....your lack of high-rpm power, just might be a too-lean down-pointing mainjet in your new carburator. Try ENRICHING the down-pointing mainjet by 1/4-turn CCW. Enny HELP???

As I said earlier, there are many causes of low-power, you now have 4-possibilities that you need to check out. And surprizingly 12-volts ain't a reason. Please get back to us and let us know which ones worked and why. Thank you. ..... ..respectfully, Dell

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Dell (WA)

11-01-2006 13:00:18




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
Billy Jack..... ..we'd love to help you but I flunked mind reading, just ask my ex-wife.

Tell us MORE about your problem, don't make us guess and play 20-questions. This great N-Board doesn't charge for the amount of words you use to describe your engine and why you think you have no power. We need to know wheather your distributor is a 4-nipple frontmount or a 5-nipple sidemount. We need to know if your electrical system is still original 6-volt or converted to 12-volts. See what I mean?

There are many reasons for lack of power, and timing is only one reason. And why did you guess your problem is timing?..... ..respectfully, Dell, the flunky mindreader

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8N'r

11-01-2006 12:56:57




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 no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-01-2006 12:30:14  
Billy---try checking if you have your plug wires installed in correct firing order. Firing order is 1243 front to back (#1 being closest to the radiator)-----good luck



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Bob

11-01-2006 16:24:06




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 Firing order diagram in reply to 8N'r, 11-01-2006 12:56:57  
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