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Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld

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Dan

11-19-2006 18:35:20




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As a public service announcement - I want to post on my experience this weekend with the JB Weld product called Waterweld on my 1939 9N I recently aquired. I will eventually do a more permenant repair on the areas I tested, but it will be a few months before this happened and I needed to winterproof the tractor before then.

It comes in a roll like a big tootsie roll, and you cut off a chunk the size you need for the repair. You knead the cut off section of the roll together to mix the outside hardener with the inner steel epoxy. I used it to seal up an oil pan crack that was seeping oil, a radiator leak that was damaged from a failed water pump, and a crack in the back of the block that leaks water when running.

I cleaned the oil pan with brake cleaner, then cut off a piece of Waterweld the size that would cover the 6" long crack and kneaded the roll as directed. I pressed the epoxy onto the crack area and pressed well. Within 20 minutes the putty was as hard as a brick. On the radiator, I just crammed the putty into the area that was leaking and it set up within twenty minutes as well - this was with the hole still leaking radiator water. The crack in the block was cleaned with brake cleaner and applied after the engine was already hot and set up in less than 5 minutes.

After running the engine for 30 minutes, there were no leaks on any of the repairs. It is thicker and the repair sticks out more than the regular JB Weld, but for a quick temporary fix it gets two thumbs up. It was everything I expected in a product made by JB Weld, and a new tool that will stay in my toolbox.

HTH,
Dan

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FarmerDawn

11-20-2006 06:36:58




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 18:35:20  
You got the '39 you wanted!?!?! WAY TO GO, DAN!!! I missed that post somewhere in all the craziness going on around here. I am so excited for you!!! Did you post photos of it yet? If so, can you post the link again so I can see?? :-D

Dawn



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Dan

11-20-2006 07:12:17




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-20-2006 06:36:58  
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Yep - I got it about three weeks ago - serial number 9N 5429 build around mid-November 1939. It looks rough, but runs decently and the hydraulics work. Plus, it was rough enough that I could actually afford it. It has a few oil pan cracks and one crack at the back of the block (like where yours is on Arthur, but it goes horizontally) that seeps radiator water when running and one crack by the engine drain that does not leak and may be a casting flaw. I found it about 4 hours away from me and have been fixing it up (minor stuff) until I get Delilah finished.

I also posted the link I posted here after the initial evaluation.

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FarmerDawn

11-20-2006 07:46:17




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-20-2006 07:12:17  
Oh man oh man! I just read the post you linked, and what a great little machine you've got there! JUST what you wanted!!! That is so cool!

So what are you going to name him/her? And boy, he/she sure runs great, despite all the things you've found (the cracks and all). How amazing! And how absolutely delightful that it came along after you'd completely given up!

Ahhh, sometimes life just really comes together for a guy. :-) CONGRATULATIONS!!

Dawn

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Dan

11-20-2006 07:58:59




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-20-2006 07:46:17  
No name yet - they usually come to me out of the blue while I am working with/on them. I do know it is a "he" though (although I don't really know how I know this) LOL. The stuff I have found so far are minor, but it holds 20 psi in oil pressure when hot, compression is now straight across the board at 80 so it starts up fast, but on checking to see if the vlaves were stuck I see someone put adjustable lifters in at some point (thumbs up). I need a generator, a new wiring harness, and a ballast resistor and it will be good to go until I can afford to really get into it. I am very happy with it.

I would say I lucked out - my wife would probably argue that point :-) In all fairness, she was the one who pushed me to buy it as I struggled on spending the money, and she went with me to pick it up as she knew how much it meant to me. She really is a wonderful woman and much better than I deserve. She may wish I would have never found it though once I start tearing it down to spruce it up...

Dan

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FarmerDawn

11-20-2006 09:47:36




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-20-2006 07:58:59  
Awww! That's really neat that she was so supportive! I know you had to have fretted about it, since you'd just decided to put so much into Delilah. But this is just wonderful!! Ah. It's a good thing and now Thanksgiving is coming, and even though you had that break-in you sure do have a lot to be thankful for!!

Can't wait to find out what his name is when it comes to you! :-)

Dawn



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ZANE

11-20-2006 05:09:18




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 18:35:20  
There is a brand of that material around here called "Sonic Weld". It has to be kneaded until it is a solid color with no streaks and it will plug up anything I have tried it on. It is very strong too. I have splinted broken parts with it and it is as strong as ceramic when cured in a few hours.

Yes, Old it will work on a gas tank. Best if you can get it dry of gas and clean but if you can poke it into the hole it will usually fix it wet.

Zane

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Jim.UT

11-19-2006 21:38:41




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 18:35:20  
Dan (or anyone): if the pan cannot be repaired by welding, I have 3 N oil pans waiting for new owners. One is off a '51 8N, one is still on a '40 9N and one is a mystery pan that came from tOTG with a bunch of other loose parts.



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vtscott

11-19-2006 20:08:20




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 18:35:20  
Thanks for the info Dan, I just fixed a crack on my truck today, but the one store town I live in did not have the Waterweld, I guess if my JB Kwik repair ever fails I will know what to buy.

Scott



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Farmer(Ga)

11-19-2006 19:25:32




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 18:35:20  

Dan,Thanks for the report on JB weld,I have a 52 that i loaned to a neightbor and he run it so hot it cracked three places in the block and each was about 3-4 inches long and a couple inches apart, I went to NC and bought another good block but would like to fix and put the org. back in, Did you V out the cracks or what did you do to prepair for the fix other than the brake cleaner, Thanks James

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Dan

11-19-2006 19:57:27




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Farmer(Ga), 11-19-2006 19:25:32  
Nope - just pressed the putty onto the cracks. I will "V" out the area when I do a more permanent fix later on.

Dan



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old

11-19-2006 21:05:28




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 19:57:27  
Dan, do you know if it would hold on a gas tank leak?? I have a leak on my 1980 chev gas tank and I don't have the $$ to fix it the right way, new tank costs $140.
Thanks



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old 9

11-20-2006 18:05:50




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to old, 11-19-2006 21:05:28  
Old , Re gas tank leak. This will sound far fetched,but I have seen it work on small gas tank leaks. Bar soap (yes a bar of soap)just rub it on the leak chemical action plugs the leak. I have done it on 2 different tanks. I got this advice from an old used car salesman. This however is a temporary fix. Keep as dry as you can. joe



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souNdguy

11-20-2006 05:21:46




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to old, 11-19-2006 21:05:28  
Old... Waterweld WILL work on a gas tank. the literature says it will even stick to gas-wet metal.

I have a chipped fuel bowl on my 66 IH cub. it's had waterweld on it for years now...

Soundguy



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135 Fan

11-19-2006 22:03:43




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to old, 11-19-2006 21:05:28  
Hey old, it will work for a gas tank. There are several different brands but they are all similar. There is even one made specifically for repairing leaking gas tanks. The fire department uses it in vehicle accidents when a gas tank is ruptured. I used regular JB weld to fix a diesel tank. I cleaned it really good and made sure it was dry. Some products it can be wet and still work. Dave



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Ken Crisman

11-19-2006 20:15:16




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-19-2006 19:57:27  
Myself , I have had no luck using that junk . I would not recommend it for a block repair . You may think you have it fixed but you may be out in the field someday & have it let you down & burn up an engine causing you more headaches . The best way is to clean the area , grind a V in the crack , drill small holes at the end of each crack & have a professional weld it with cast iron rod . I have an 8n Funk conversion with a cracked tranny case at the drain hole . So I'm planning on repairing it as I said .But it's your tractor & you will do what you want anyhow so good luck . God bless , Ken

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Dan

11-20-2006 04:33:18




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Ken Crisman, 11-19-2006 20:15:16  
Easy Ken - I did say this was a temporary repair so I could winterize my tractor and would fix it right in the future :-)

Not sure if I feel comfortable welding on cast iron since this is a 1939 9N block - I do not know anyone I would trust to have the skills to do this.

Dan



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Ken Crisman

11-21-2006 06:28:23




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-20-2006 04:33:18  
Dan , If you have a welder with DC capabilities & can weld ; get some cast iron rod & try it yourself . I have an old 226 6cyl Ford engine that I dropped when unloading it off the truck . It broke the bottom of the timing chain cover & the one motor mount off . So I just set my welder & put a rod in & tried it myself . Both welds came out looking very nice & they seem strong .I even took the timing cover & dropped it to test the weld . I figured it was junk broken anyway .But now my tranny leak near the threaded hole I'm leery of trying myself .Have you heard of the stitching system ? If you'd like info on it write my email so I can give you what info I have . Whatever you do I wish you the best . God bless , Ken

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FarmerDawn

11-20-2006 06:40:33




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 Re: Personal review - JB Weld's Waterweld in reply to Dan, 11-20-2006 04:33:18  
I could always send you the info on that place in Detroit if you want it. :-)



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