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Allthumbs

12-13-2006 13:00:52




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Has anyone used or have an opinion on "RESTORE"? It has micro particles of lead and copper which are supposed to fill scratches and pits in moving engine parts improving performance and life. I don't know what size the particles are but would they be filtered out or pass through the filter. Also, I guess they would have to be larger than the oil film between parts in order to press in the pits and scratches. Sounds good enough to me to give it a shot unless someone has had bad or no luck with this product. Thanks

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Skyhawk

12-15-2006 17:11:51




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
Allthumbs - Depends on who you talk to. Thought you might be interested in something from the Dyke's Automobile and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia, Eleventh Edition, 1929:

"The use of flake motor graphite mixed with cylinder lubrication oil when properly used will improve compression, decrease the amount of oil required, fill up scores in the cylinder walls, prevent valves and rings sticking and thereby cure smoky exhaust.

A great deal of prejudice has existed against graphite lubrication due to ignorance. When automobiles first came on the market, chauffeurs would go to a hardware store to buy graphite to mix with their grease and would get Dixon's Flake Graphite No. 1 which is intended for lubrication of steam cylinders and other heavy work. Then they would use about five times too much of it and trouble would result. Of course, graphite was blamed. However, anyone who has ever taken the trouble to investigate Dixon graphite automobile lubricants has seen the sense of their claims and would use no other kind of lubrication. It stands to reason that when bearings and tear teeth are polished with fine flake graphite that there are actually no metallic surfaces in contact and hence there can be no wear, no heating and practically no friction.

However, assuming that graphite is an ideal lubricant certain requirements are necessary, for instance:

For splash oiling system, the Dixon Co. recommend adding a scant teaspoonful of motor graphite to each quart of oil in the crank case and then add another teasmpoonful at the end of each one thousand miles. Th graphite may be mixed with a little oil and poured down the breather. you will notice that this is a very small amount of graphite but it is all that is required.

For force feed system is is not advisable to mix the graphite with the oil on account of the possibility of clogging some of the small passages.

A small amount of dry graphite may be placed on the hand and permitted to be inhaled through the air intake of the carburetor directly to the cylinders. This should be done about once a week when your car is in ordinary service.

More graphite can be used when it is introduced in the dry form because part of it is immediately blown out through the exhaust.

On account of the location of the magneto on Ford cars and the possibility of short circuiting it we do not recommend the use of graphite in the crank case or transmission case of these cars. This is merely a precaution that we take, although we know of many Ford owners who use graphite in their engines with entire satisfaction."

This really doesn't answer your question at all, but hopefully you will find it interesting going back in time to 1929!

Greg

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Allthumbs

12-16-2006 05:56:24




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Skyhawk, 12-15-2006 17:11:51  
Thanks, yes that is interesting. It kind of goes with what I think Restore may do. When on starting when most oil has drained from worn parts, perhaps the lead/copper particles will serve as lubricant until oil pressure is up. I worked in areas of engineering for 30 years and you could never discount anything for sure unless you tried it. Thanks for responding.



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Bob Mendoza

12-14-2006 21:23:34




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
I put some engine restore in a 1948 case orchard model that smoked like a train. You had to add oil to the engine if you ran it over an hour, low and behold after twenty minutes of running the old case quit smoking. I couldn't believe my eyes. I swear by that engine restore it really works, however you have to add it with every oil change or it will start smoking again.



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Bob Jones

12-14-2006 04:43:01




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
I use restore every oil change in my 9N. I have seen a distinct improvement in the power. I am a definite believer in this product. I had 70# compression dry with comparable weak power 5 years ago when I started using Restore and have not had to rebuild the 9n yet. It plows the driveway in winter and the garden in summer and has not fouled a plug since then.



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Allthumbs

12-15-2006 04:58:14




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Bob Jones, 12-14-2006 04:43:01  
Well, you and the Bob above have had good results. Of the replies one user said it did not make any difference. One said that maybe it did. With mine also using a quart an hour, I will give it a try for the next two oil changes.
Thanks for your replies.



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Tom N MS

12-14-2006 04:12:54




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
Works the same as peeing in the ocean to change it's chemical makeup.



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Dunk

12-13-2006 16:49:46




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
As we all get older there are a few facts we all have to face.

Nearly all old tractors, can, with some bucks, and some werk, can be restored to close to their "store bought" quality.

The fact, that I am talking with you about tonight, is the fact that all humans git recycled.

Again, May God Bless Us All, each and every one. _Mary Lou Who

The best of Wishes!

And may you have the Happiest of Holidays of all of yer given time, each and every year.

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RP-40-9n

12-13-2006 16:27:20




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
theres one that i swear by, mmo , it helped me bring a dead, engine stuck, farmall cub back to life. all old tired tractors that i own will have mmo on board. RP



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Henry M

12-13-2006 14:34:09




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
If that stuff works how come Jasper engines and the like are prospering? Snake Oil

About as humerous as the man with the cowboy hat and eat crap sunglesses selling stp to clean out the engine when the gas in it is already 10 percent alcohol.

And here I been working for a living for a half a century lol



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LeeMo

12-13-2006 13:45:33




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
I decided to try it after reading some of their claims and "independent research" findings. I put some in a tired 8N I've been working on. I have to agree with the gent that says it only "restores" the bank account of the company selling it. It's crap like most miracle cures. Back to the old expression "If it sounds too good to be true it probably is."
Don't waste your money, Lee



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Stumpalump

12-13-2006 13:40:42




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
I tried it years ago. It seemed to make the engine more powerfull (probably more compression) but it didn't happen overnight.
It took a couple of thousand miles but by then I wondered if it was not just the change in weather. This stuff has been on the market since the early eighties so if they still sell it must help. I can think of lots of other snake oil that has come and gone but RESTORE is still around.

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OH Boy

12-13-2006 13:32:56




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Allthumbs, 12-13-2006 13:00:52  
My opinion is that the only thing that stuff 'Restores' is the company that sells it's bank account balance.



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va. rebel

12-13-2006 15:34:50




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to OH Boy, 12-13-2006 13:32:56  
liquid fixit comes in all shapes and sizes i never use any of it. most of it is just a rip off



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Allthumbs

12-13-2006 16:00:46




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to va. rebel, 12-13-2006 15:34:50  
Thanks for all the imputs. I guess I am like my 85 year old neighbor, always switching doctors hoping one will give him a magic pill to make him feel 20 again. I was hoping to make my 8N feel like it's 1948 again, but I guess I'll just let it stay 60. Thanks again.



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Allthumbs

12-13-2006 16:00:32




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to va. rebel, 12-13-2006 15:34:50  
Thanks for all the imputs. I guess I am like my 85 year old neighbor, always switching doctors hoping one will give him a magic pill to make him feel 20 again. I was hoping to make my 8N feel like it's 1948 again, but I guess I'll just let it stay 60. Thanks again.



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Dunk

12-13-2006 15:54:16




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to va. rebel, 12-13-2006 15:34:50  
2 drops of baby oil will probably out perform, and not cause any other problems.



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Tom N MS

12-14-2006 04:09:04




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 Re: RESTORE in reply to Dunk, 12-13-2006 15:54:16  
Dunk, it took 3 drops for mine...



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