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Ozbo

12-25-2006 16:34:55




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I don"t know jack about electricity, but I have been having the d.....est trouble getting a Jubilee I got recently to get fire beyond the coil. My battery puts out 12.65 v"s. I get 12.65 v"s to the + side of the coil (which is new 12v with int. res.) I get 12.65 V"s out the top where the coil wire attaches. I get ONLY 2.05 v"s out of the coil at the -side to the dist. Is this NORMAL? Where am I wrong on this? I aint getting any fire to or through the points to the plugs. I have new points, plugs, wires, switch, condenser, rotor, dist. cap. etc. I already convinced Advance Auto that the first coil was defective and they gave me another. I want to see her RUN! thanks oz

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DanL-Colorado-9N252085

12-26-2006 07:26:30




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 Re: Maybe its because........ in reply to Ozbo, 12-25-2006 16:34:55  
Well, the 2.05V on the neg side of the coil seems fishy to me, but you say you DO have spark from the coil (just not at the plugs).

If you see 2.05V on the neg side of the coil, you have problems in the primary circuit. Like was already pointed out, this wire should be open or grounded, by the points. If the points are open, it should read full system voltage (12V+). When the points are closed, you should read zero volts. This leads me to think your points are dirty, pitted, oily, or otherwise encumbered with some resistance between them when they're closed.

Yet, you say you have spark from the ocil wire... If that's so, I think your distributor is out of time and the rotor isn't lining up with the cap terminals when the coil fires, resulting in no fire at the plugs.

Just my $.01, cheap at half the price...

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DanL-Colorado-9N252085

12-26-2006 07:29:03




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 Re: Maybe its because........ in reply to DanL-Colorado-9N252085 , 12-26-2006 07:26:30  
Yep, ya gotta watch out for them ocil wires.

(GOOD GRIEF!!! I can't even proofread anymore.)



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Ozbo

12-25-2006 17:37:21




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 Re: Maybe its because........ in reply to Ozbo, 12-25-2006 16:34:55  
well, you'uns have given me something to check. It may well be a short in that dist. connection point from the - side of the coil. I'll know more tomorrow when I get time. thanks a bunch. oz



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Paul Schultz

12-25-2006 17:17:34




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 Re: Maybe its because........ in reply to Ozbo, 12-25-2006 16:34:55  
I recently had a similar experience. It turned out I had an insulating washer that was ripped and caused a short at the distributor. This washer went on the inside of the small post/screw at the side of the distributor where the (-) wire coming from the coil attaches. The screw needs be completely isolated from the distributor housing as it passes through to the inside. When I had this shorted out my voltage readings past the coil was very low, like yours.

If you have a multimeter set it to ohmmeter mode. Attach one lead to the negative post of your coil where the low tension wire is attached. Now, with the touch the other ohmmeter lead to the wire nuts that attach the wire at the outside of the distributor. You should have no resistance. This shows you have in intact wire leading up to the distributor.

Now touch the lead to a bare area of the distributor housing. The resistance should be infinite. If it is low, you have a short like I did.

If there was no short you can continue to trace the circuit with the ohmmeter up into the points continuing to look for breaks in the conductance.

BTW, if there is a short at the housing (and since the points base plate attaches to the housing), you'll have equal voltage on both sides of the points. So, there is no opening and closing of a circuit at the points....and no triggering of the high tension ignition circuit (i.e., no spark from the coil and no spark at the plugs).

Good luck,

Paul.

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Bob

12-25-2006 17:14:32




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 Re: Maybe its because........ in reply to Ozbo, 12-25-2006 16:34:55  
DON'T try to measure the voltage at the coil's high-tension terminal, 'cause if you DO get a spark, your meter will be "zapped".

Check the voltage at the (-) side of the coil, which is connected to the distributor's points/condensor.

With the points "open", you are looking for full battery voltage at the coil's (-) terminal.

With the points "closed" you are looking for ZERO Volts (at the most, a small fraction of a Volt) at the coil's (-) terminal.

With the engine being cranked by the starter, a test light placed between the coil's (-) terminal and chassis ground should flash "ON" and "OFF" as the points rapidly open and close.

Make these simple tests, and post back.

Most likely culprits are the "feedthrough" insulator in the distributor "shell", where the connection to the points/condensor passes into the distributor, the points, the condensor, or high resistance (a poor connection) in the wire between the coil's (-) terminal and the distributor.

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Dunk

12-25-2006 16:48:13




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 Re: Maybe its because........ in reply to Ozbo, 12-25-2006 16:34:55  
Are you sure your points are opening and closing?



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Ross Pugh(NC)

12-26-2006 13:36:00




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 Re: Dunk--ARE YE SURE----- in reply to Dunk, 12-25-2006 16:48:13  
Dunk, 'ol buddy, are ye sure your points are opening and closing today? Just jerkin' ye chain a little, have a good day.



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Dunk

12-26-2006 14:43:58




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 Re: Dunk--ARE YE SURE----- in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 12-26-2006 13:36:00  
My sparkie shore is weak....



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Ross Pugh(NC)

12-27-2006 07:32:24




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 Re: Dunk--ARE YE SURE-----/Mine too in reply to Dunk, 12-26-2006 14:43:58  
KInow what ye mean Dunk, my sparkie has been kinda weak fer a while too. Stay sober, my friend.



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