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Sure seal and brake shoes

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rod

02-02-2000 16:52:21




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Does Sure seal work ok and can brake shoes that are oil soaked be cleaned? Heard a rumor that they can now be cleaned up somehow.

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Steve (IA)

02-03-2000 09:23:48




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 Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to rod, 02-02-2000 16:52:21  
I've cooked the oil out with a propane torch. It worked for me. Good luck.



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BB Stacker

02-03-2000 06:54:07




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 Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to rod, 02-02-2000 16:52:21  
What worked for me was paint thinner to get most of the crud off and then a sray can of brake cleanner. Brakes work great if you can keep the oil off.



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ZANE

02-02-2000 17:43:49




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 Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to rod, 02-02-2000 16:52:21  
You can dry the old brake shoes up enough to use them OK by cleaning them in Kerosene and then washing them with water under pressure. After you have reinstalled them and stopped the leak you should sprinkle about a half pint of talcom powder in each side and close it up. You can start using it immediately. The talcom will soak up any residual oil and simply dust out of the drum and fall to the ground.
You may have to go along behind the tractor and vaccumm up the dust to satisfy the EPA.
Be sure to use talcom powder and not the new cornstarch baby powder. It's OK if the talcom is perfumed. It will make the tractor smell better!
If you want my recipe for fixing the leak without the sure seals, just email me and I will send it to you or you might find it in the archives.

Also see the link below if you have a 9n or 2N.

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Mason WV

02-04-2000 16:22:37




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 Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to ZANE, 02-02-2000 17:43:49  
Fullers Earth you can buy it at most drug stores it will soak up over 100 times itself.Works excellent! You dont even need a perscription for it. On the other hand brakes arent that expensive and your life rides on them. C-YA



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@(ME)

02-03-2000 15:16:50




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 Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to ZANE, 02-02-2000 17:43:49  
I've used the kerosene and now I'll try the talcom on my 8N, but first I have to stop the leak. I installed new oil seals over "Speedi-Sleeve" from Chicago Rawhide, part #99275. The sleeve was a prefect fit and went on just as they said however one side still leaks some. I also would be interested in your recipe. I tried your link and ended up in needlepoint!


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Nolan

02-03-2000 10:31:26




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 Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to ZANE, 02-02-2000 17:43:49  
It's been a while since I've seen your receipe for this fix. So long that I don't remember what it was. And the lovely search engine (not) can't find anything about it.

So, you be willing to post it here publicly again?



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JerryU

02-02-2000 17:18:42




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 Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to rod, 02-02-2000 16:52:21  
Sure seals work on 9N and 2N but not 8N. I have had them in for about 3 or 4years with no leaks. The axle must be smoooooth where the seals ride and be sure you grease the bearing before putting in the seal. As an alternative search the archives, Zane Sherman has a method using teflon tape and silicone. He is a long time veteran and would be worth looking at his cure as well.

As far as cleaning shoes, I have heard both brake cleaner or using a propane torch to cook the oil out, but have done neither - I needed new shoes anyway.

JerryU

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Timk

02-03-2000 13:30:44




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 Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to JerryU, 02-02-2000 17:18:42  
I am really hesitant to use propane torch or for that matter even work on old brake shoes which are probably made with asbestos linings. This goes for old cars and old tractors. Unless you know that the shoes are recently made (modern shoes are not made of asbestos) I say buy new and save your health.



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Nolan

02-04-2000 08:18:51




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 Re: Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to Timk, 02-03-2000 13:30:44  
The danger of asbestos is the airborne particles. If you are wetting it down in any fashion, be it water or solvents, you are keeping the particles from becoming airborne, and washing away the lose ones on the surface. Using a torch does nothing to cause particles to break off and become airborne. The most it could do is melt them, and that's not going to happen with regular shop torches. So once the shoe has had the loose dust removed from its surface, there is no more danger from asbestos dust.

About the only way to cause particles to come off the cleaned lining is to attack it with a sander. At that, the particles are still bound with the liming material adhesives, so they are unable to do the spear like penetration that asbestos became famous for.

Which is overblown as far as asbestos goes, and underblown as far as other materials like fiberglass goes.

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bigp

02-03-2000 06:18:57




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 Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to JerryU, 02-02-2000 17:18:42  
I thought sure seals worked on the 8N also. Can anyone verify this?



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JK MN

02-03-2000 08:57:47




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 Re: Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to bigp, 02-03-2000 06:18:57  
As catalogued; 9N, 2N. Not listed for 8N, as axle / bearing arrangement is different.



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Ron (WA)

02-03-2000 09:43:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to JK MN, 02-03-2000 08:57:47  
OK how do us 8n owners stop the leaks without using sure seals??



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Jim(Ky)

02-04-2000 11:05:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sure seal and brake shoes in reply to Ron (WA), 02-03-2000 09:43:42  
I restored a 49 8N and replaced the rear seals. They also gave me a cork sleeve that is compressed when the hub is bolted up. So far I have no leaks. What I do have is a dragging brake that seems to defy adjustment. I may need to radius the new shoes. Do not take your drums to a machine shop to be turned. My NAPA guy says they are a composition type metal and will gouge if turned. Now all I need is a fix for the steering sector gears. They are non-adjustable for the most part. Talk about shimmy when the sherman is in high range! Jim (Ky)

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