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9N head on 8N tractor

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Paul in MN

01-09-2007 18:50:45




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I have been working on a 47 8N owned and operated by a special needs adult. He is pretty good with it, but makes a few mistakes. Last summer, he was brush hogg'N at his sister's place and let the radiator fill up with weed seed and boiled him (Henry) right over like a minature volcano. So to quickly fix what he had done, he put the garden hose in the radiator top, and almost immediately cracked the head. I tried the usual dose of stop leak, but the antifreeze seeps through it into #2.

Yesterday I visited a used tractor parts place about 50 miles from here and found another usable head. From the casting numbers, I knew that I had a 9N head, but it looked good, and both are front mount anyhow, so probably no problem.

Today, I drained the gas, pulled the hood, tank and dog legs and then carefully removed the head stud nuts (I had put the studs in a few years ago) and pulled the head. But from careful inspection, I can see there is a volumetric difference in the cavity for each cylinder. Of course! The 9N has lower compression, and a lower HP (I'm reminded of how much by Farmer Dawn's post a few below this one).

How much difference in operation of the tractor does this lower comp head make? Much of the time this 8N is just used to go somewhere, as he is not allowed a driver's license, so less HP is probably not an issue for that use. But he does use a 5 ft hogg about a half doz times each summer, and that may be where the HP becomes a problem. The 9N head was the only good used one I could find ($75), and a new import is more than $150, and the FNH part is $400. If you have done this swap, tell me how it worked out.

Thanks!

Paul in MN

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Jason McL

01-10-2007 17:47:01




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Paul in MN, 01-09-2007 18:50:45  
If the 8N has ever had a rebuild or replacement pistons in it's life time,You'll never feel a differance in power because there won't be any.If the 8N has original pistons it might only be 1 or 2 HP. Most after market pistons I used have slightly taller center. hence more deck height and more compression.



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FarmerDawn

01-09-2007 19:55:22




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Paul in MN, 01-09-2007 18:50:45  
I just have to say I think it's really nice of you to help this guy out! Clearly I have NO idea about the different cylinder volume's effect on running under load, so I'll have to bail on that part (but have I mentioned that an 8N has four forward speeds?). :-) Seriously, this is a nice thing you're doing. --Dawn



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Hobo,NC

01-09-2007 19:50:24




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Paul in MN, 01-09-2007 18:50:45  
I have made that mistake, I kin tell a difference but comparing it to the best run’in N I have ever sit on, head shaved deck cut down head ground on to relieve piston to head clearance worth a few extra HP. The one I swapped to a 9N head may be a little tired to start with but a good runner no less and should werk out fer’em. That b’in said the replacement head does have a larger chamber than a original head so I feel it’s more like the 9N style head fer as HP. If you have the 9n head resurfaced you may be close to the 8N head. No more than he does he should git along just fine. If i were to bolt a aftermarket head on I would cut it down rite much if I had a standard deck. One thang I feel the aftermarket head does izz if one had a roufh deck he could have it resurfaced and wif the aftermarket head it would be a bolt on deal no head werk required. Now fer you boys who kin not stand to see a block cut on iffin you had a extremely roufh deck and could not git it to seal the aftermarket head would allow you to bring the old block back to life wif out much werk. I guarantee y’all theirs a bunch of’em out their that could stand a new surface to bolt a head to.
I bet this wuz considered when the aftermarket head wuz designed so it will save a few from b’in ground into sausage. Thats my opinion on the aftermarket head good are bad I see it as a option to save a bad block.

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Paul in MN

01-09-2007 20:59:39




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-09-2007 19:50:24  
Hobo,

Thanks for weighing in on this. I knew when I bought this head that I wa going to get lower compression, but did not think it would be very noticable. However, Dawn's citing of the HP differences is significant. Almost 1/3 less HP. But this is a tired engine, needing rings sleeves, bearings, really a complete OH. My guess is that this one has never had an OH, but his grandpa was the first owner and used in vegetable gardening, so it had a pretty easy life. When Mark got it about 13 years ago, he liked to rev-rev-rev and drop the clutch, sometimes shearing off a rear wheel stud. I think the less HP might be just the right thing for him and making this now tired N live a few years longer.

He'll probably never know that it is less HP, as long as it starts and runs.

Paul in MN

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jimNCal

01-09-2007 21:14:26




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Paul in MN, 01-09-2007 20:59:39  
Paul,

The tired engine may give you trouble starting with the lower compression, 9N head. I have a good head from a side mount 8N I'll trade you straight across. You pay only shipping.

jim



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9N 89716

01-09-2007 19:40:47




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Paul in MN, 01-09-2007 18:50:45  
I ahve a 42 9N, with an 8N head on it, by the cast # on the head. Do not know how many years it has been on there, but it runs fine. I would think you could reverse the process.



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Dan

01-09-2007 18:56:07




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 Re: 9N head on 8N tractor in reply to Paul in MN, 01-09-2007 18:50:45  
Unless you are working it close to capacity - I do not think you will ever notice a difference.

Dan



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