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Don't know what happened, it just stopped running!

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Olaf

01-18-2007 20:49:39




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I'm looking for some good advice. I had my 8N in the garage and replaced the radiator, belt and distibutor cap. Once I got it all put back together, I started it up and it seemed to run fine. I shut it off to clean up the garage and put away my tools so I could open the door and drive it out. I started it again, opened the door and while it was running, it just stopped running. I thought it was out of gas so I put some more in and turned it over and I have no spark, I think. I have a key (just for on and off) and when it is on and I turn it over, the ampmeter moves back and forth, well it doesn't do anything anymore, either way I turn the key. I turned it over until the battery started to fade and it never fired. Is there an easy explanation for this or do I need to tear everything apart?

Thank you for any information or suggestions!

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Dan Hill

01-20-2007 04:21:57




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
If the ammeter doesnt move when you crank the engine thats a sure sign the points have a problem.You have an open circuit .The points can form an oxide coating that will shut down a running engine.Cranking an engine till the battery is dead shouldnt be done ..Stop and find the problem,did you turn the ignition switch on?If the ammeter isnt moving you wont start if you crank all day.



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Dunk

01-19-2007 09:55:13




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
Due to the radiator work, are you sure that the radiator didn't push any anti-freeze out and onto anything electrical?



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Ross Pugh(NC)

01-19-2007 05:58:09




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
If ye don't have a test light get yourself one (less than $10.00). they look like an ice pick with a wire from the handle with an alligator clip on the end. Attach the alligator clip to a good ground and touch it to the battery terminal that is not the ground. The light in the handle should light up. Now trace the hot wire to the starter , to the switch, to the distributor, coil, plugs and so on. when ye lose the fire, check between that and the area ye last had fire. this should isolate the area of the problem. May be just a loose connection that needs to be tightened. Good luck!!

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John Hunt

01-19-2007 05:10:50




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
If you had the cowl off, took the radiator out. while lift it you could have broken a wire. or there no broken wire. the coil is no good for from cold spell we had.. i just lost a a jel cell battery, and they tell me it was due from the cold. are you could clean the point and see what happen good luck



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Bob

01-18-2007 22:42:18




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
The moving ammeter is a sign there is primary igntion current, with the "make and break" action of the break points "chopping" it.

Since you are not now seeing the ammeter moving, there's NO primary current, and, therefore, no spark. If the ammeter REALLY doesn't move when the key is switched "ON" and the engine is cranked, an "open" is indicated in the primary igntion system, rather than a "short".

As the others say, it could be a current source problem, such as a broken wire, bad ignition switch, or open resistor.

The coil could have failed "open", the coiled "spring thingy" on the bottom of the coil may not be making contact with the special brass screw in distributor it seats down into. The spring can be stretched a bit, if this is the case.

The next possible problem in line is if the thin copper strip connecting the terminal at the top of the breaker plate is broken, making an "open circuit" between the terminal and the breaker points.

That leaves checking for proper breaker point gap (.015"), and points that are not conducting when closed, due to an oily film or oxide on them. Try cleaning them by repeatedly drawing a strip of white cardstock through the closed points to burnish them, followed by a turning the distibutor shaft or engine so they open, spraying them with electrical contact cleaner to remove any "lint" and debris, and allowing them to air-dry while still "open".

Good Luck!

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souNdguy

01-18-2007 21:16:58




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
Check yer points.. they probably slipped.

next thing to check is ignition switch.

Look for the small easy (cheap )things first.. then get to the big hard (expensive ) things like cam gear.. etc..

Soundguy



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K.LaRue-VA

01-18-2007 21:10:40




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
My first guess is BAD IGNITION SWITCH. Charge the battery, hot-wire across the terminals for the ignition switch, and she should fire right up when you hit the starter button.

Dont leave a jumper across the ignition switch for very long if it does not start or you will fry the coil.



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duckrock

01-18-2007 21:10:32




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
I have had the same thing happen more than once. I have a front mount dist. Once the wires got caught in the fan and were broken (no sparky). Then once I forgot to hook up gas line and it quit. With the exception of the points being bad it was always something simple that I did in a hurry or overlooked when putting everything back together. Points took longer to figure out because I had spark but for some reason would not fire the tractor up. I replaced with electronic and it ran great.

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Tex - Driftwood, TX

01-18-2007 21:09:39




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 Re: Don't know what happened, it just stopped runn in reply to Olaf, 01-18-2007 20:49:39  
sounds like its something simple. you said you changed the distributor cap. make sure your wire from the coil to the dist cap is on there good and tight. it may have come loose.



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