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Ron-MO

02-26-2007 05:58:35




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Since I always get good advice on both tractor problems and OT as well I thought I would get some advice on a problem with fence chargers. Anyone have any preference on electric fence chargers? I have just gotten into the goat business (I know so be easy on me), but my initial feeling was to get a larger solar charger but even my small short haired dog was able to walk right under the hot wire, and the goats paid little attention whatsoever and were out shortly. I checked the voltage with a tester and only get 2-3 thousand volts - pulsing. I borrowed a 120 volt unit and it shows about double the power -same brand, and similar size as the 25 mile solar chager. The guy I borrowed from said he had no luck with the battery powered chargers. Anyone have a preference? I am obviously going to need something different. Is there a type that does not pulse, and which is your preference? Thanks in advance for any help.

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Dell (WA)

02-27-2007 02:04:25




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
Ron..... ..the BEST fence chargers are the "PULSED" New Zealand low impedance types. Output about 8000 peak volts. (NOT CHEAP) I get mine from Premier Sheep from Iowa.

And I keep my sheep fenced in with poly-wire electro-net plastic fencing with built-in fence-posts that you stab into the ground. (it got little fine stainless wires woven thru the plastic string) And my charger is deep-cycle marine boat batterys. I can go about 2-weeks before I need to replace the discharged battery. I wheel the heavy lead battery out into the pasture with hand-cart 'cuz I'm lazy. I used to hand-carry it.

But heres the real deal with anytype of fence-charger. You NEED a real ground. And NO, an 8-ft long rod pounded into the ground ain't a real ground. I don't care what you have under your house meter.

The BEST GROUND is a galvanized cattle panel buried flat, about 1-foot under ground. Why? 'cuz that is where all the "mineral-ions" are which conduct the electrons are. Yeah, ground the panel with an 8-ft rod, but it is the grounding AREA of the cattle panel that really does the works..... ...Dell, retired Electronics Engr

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Ross Pugh(NC)

02-26-2007 13:53:27




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
I've learned from my goats that they don't have a very good reverse gear if their head gets through anything. Just put up 6" X 6"field fence and make a trip about twice a dayon the outside of the fence and grab 'em by the horns and push and twist till ye get the horns back thru the fence. Do it again next trip. the dumb a$$e$ must not have a brain, they do it over and over. I have one female that knows how to turn her head to get her horns back thru every time.

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Ron-MO

02-26-2007 10:03:50




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
Thanks for all the suggestions/info. More are welcome, but I think I have learned I need to decrease the spacing on my wires (6 inches on lower wires - it is now 8)get a larger 115 volt charger, and forget the battery/solar chargers. I guess I will list my solar charger on ebay and cut my loss. Nothing wrong with it and will probably work fine for some things. I will also investigate going to woven wire fence on future expansion. I just built a small area and only have 7 meat goats currently to test the waters. I have one that will walk right through a 8 inch spaced electric fence with about 7,000 volts pulsing on it. That's gotta hurt. I also need to put a couple more ground rods in the ground as I only have one now. Maybe the combination will cause enough discomfort to persuade her to stay in.

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old

02-26-2007 13:40:43




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 10:03:50  
What type of post are you useing?? One way to up the ground is to run a wire sort of between the hot wires that hook right to the posts and then run it to ground on the charger. That way you have an extra large ground area and it will also add one more wire for them the have to crawl through. Also when they touch both of them its more like being right at the charger instead of being a 1/4 mile from it

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ratropia

02-26-2007 11:25:11




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 10:03:50  
Before you list it on eBay, what kind is it and how big and how much you looking to get for it? Also with goats electric may not be needed. I would recommend if they are Boers or "meat goats" a 4ft high field fence with 4x4 squares to keep their heads in. I have raised Boers for a while, they are great. If you have any questions let me know, maybe I can at least point you in the right direction. Rick T.

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Chad OH

02-26-2007 18:14:12




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to ratropia, 02-26-2007 11:25:11  
That's what my dad uses for his. I haven't had to help him put up a different option, so no news is good news.
He also puts his 3 german shepards in there when he is gone and the goats are in the barn.

Just my 2 cents.
-Chad



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Ron-MO

02-26-2007 17:46:18




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to ratropia, 02-26-2007 11:25:11  
I would take $150 for it + actual shipping cost. It is the top unit on the link. I can't recall exactly what I put in it, but it was more than that, and it has only used 3 days and I still have the original packaging and manual. Wish I could do a little better, but I just bought a larger 115 volt unit and now I have to dig in a line out to the fence to get rid of the cord I have out there now, and am just trying to cut my losses a little. I think I can get that on ebay since they are going around $170 or so +shipping.

Yes, they are boer goats. I am only having trouble with a couple, and I will probably go to the square field fence in the future, but I am committed right now to keep them in until then.

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ratropia

02-26-2007 18:36:01




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 17:46:18  
Save your ebay fees! I will buy it. Email me. this is my secondary email address. ratropia@hotmail.com



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JoePilot

02-26-2007 09:47:48




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
We have a light duty charger to keep the dog in about 2 acres. It is a constant level (~700V) and current limitted. The down side is that it's very prone to shorting out. Even too many spider webs will make it ineffective.

The upside is it doesn't have enought zip to start a fire:-)

The fence worked well once the dog was trained to it (i.e. shocked a couple of times). I don't know how to train a goat, though...

I think all of the more powerfull livestock chargers are pulsed. If you have shorts (weeds, grass, branches across the wire) it could be pulling your battery down faster than the solar charger can pump it up...

In general, more power is better (grunt grunt).

Joe

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Joe (IN)

02-26-2007 08:39:26




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
Dad has goats out at his place. When he first got them a few years ago, the neighbor told him that if his fence won't hold water, it won't hold goats. He found out pretty quickly that they were right! His solution was cattle panels.



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john hunt

02-26-2007 08:19:27




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
So have problem keep thing in. So how hot do you want it, I use old model t coil with a 12 power supply and few other part. When I had cows, I had found out cow, don't move backward, horse don't move backward ... and bet you when your goat went thur fence.. they said bah bah..
so they did same thing as my cow...went right thur... I just hate chasing them down ...



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old

02-26-2007 08:11:01




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
If your getting into goats you also better be ready to re do all your fences with a net type fence and or about 10 strands of barb wire, plus the zap fence. Yep I got goats and have for years and never have any problems with them getting out. If you need more info send me an e-mail and or check out the web sit. Are you also in Missouri?? What breed of goat do you have??

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maplehillfrm,pat

02-26-2007 07:26:14




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
goats ,, ughhh dont get me started,, ok you can because I still have some,, I found that you have to either 1- have electric fence close together so they cant walk through them,, [I've watched mine walk thru with a charge that knocks me on my butt-{big butt}],,,,2- the expensive way but very effective cattle panels,, or even a wooden horse fence with electric between the open rails,,, I ended up going with cattle panels, eay to put up,, virtually no maintence,and easily moved if you need them to be,they are 16' long 52" high,, about 15 bucks apiece,,

I ended up making a few paddocks 75x150 more or less back to back and am able to disconnect the panels and move them forward or back when the grass is gone seems to work well, I have no complaints and like the fact that it dont short out, if I had the money my whole "farm" would be done in cattle panels,, but approx 25 acres pasture is too much,, even a small pasture of 5 acres would be a pocket expense,,, but once its up leave it and forget it,, as far as chargers I never liked the solar or battery,, I always went for the biggest electric I could find.. works great for the horses and cows,, but goats seem to not even worry about them much,, even my dogs get bit once and know to stay away,, I would try the closer strands,, but then you NEED to keep the grass and weeds down to operate,, my 2cents.good luck pat

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souNdguy

02-26-2007 06:49:28




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
The biggest thing I see is that battery and solar units are 'pulsed' output, and the 120vac ones are usually constant output... generally more of a kick as well.

The larger the fencer.. the more feet it will run.

Check your impeadance and match it to your fence environment. Low imp models don't shock thru fence faults very easilly... Some models are more fault tolerant than others.

I like big chargers to keep preditors out, or 'pushy' animals in.. like cattle and goats.. etc.

Soundguy

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dan hill

02-26-2007 08:42:45




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to souNdguy, 02-26-2007 06:49:28  
The only constant output chargers are very weak ones meant to keep the cat out of the flower beds.I have been using and repairing fence chargers for over 50 years now.I tell people to avoid solar and battery powered chargers unless they have no choice, like pastures across the road.



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Greg_Ky

02-26-2007 06:09:43




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Ron-MO, 02-26-2007 05:58:35  
Here is what you need for goats if you do not want to be chasing them every other day.



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Lance in Brenham, TX

02-26-2007 07:47:24




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 Re: OT - Fence Chargers in reply to Greg_Ky, 02-26-2007 06:09:43  
definitely a good product, we've used these ever since I can remember.



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