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Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem

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Popster

06-02-2001 21:18:33




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My 8N drops the rear 3 p hitch when the clutch is depressed or when the tractor is shut down. I tried searching the archives for "lift" and other terms, but came up with long list.

Can anyone suggest a keyword to search on or perhaps a poster name that would take me to messages in the archives that would help me with the problem.

I remember reading one member had installed O rings to solve the problem. Another had a set of directions available. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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ZANE

06-03-2001 18:54:42




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 Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Popster, 06-02-2001 21:18:33  
BEFORE DOING ANYTHING TO THE LIFT IT SHOULD FIRST BE INSPECTED FOR ANY INTERNAL LEAKAGE. GOOD ADJUSTMENT CAN BE DONE WITH A LEAK IN THE SYSTEM BUT FOR GOOD OPERATION AND IN ORDER TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF GOING INTO THE LIFT IT SHOULD BE DONE FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IS DONE.

I think that you are probably having a combination of problems which is common to the 8N lift. One of the worst offenders is the cam follower pin which is what the position control receives it's input from. The other thing is to look for a leak in the sysyem @ the ram cylinder rings etc and the pressure relief valve. Also there could be a gasket leaking somewhere such as under the ram cylinder where it mates to the lift cover housing.
If you dicide to take the lift off to work on it be sure not to remove any bolt except for the ones around the outsides of the cover. If you should remove a bolt that has fine threads it will be from the inside pattern and you should put it back in the same hole it came from. You can remove them after the cover is on the work bench if it becomes necessary.

You should first take off the right hand inspection plate under the seat on the side of the lift housing.With an implement on the lift start the engine and with the lift in the up position look inside and see if their is oil leaking from the end of the lift ram cylinder.If their is only a slight drip this is normal.If their is a fairly steady stream this may be the trouble.If the oil is coming from somewhere else try to pin point its orign. If you find no appreciable leaks on top in your view then you may have a pressure relief valve leaking. It is located just under the pto shaft on the vertical back of the pump.Sorta shaped like a spark plug and an 11/16" box end wrench fits it. You can check it for leakage by first finding it with the engine off and then with the pump running and with a load and hot put your finger over the end of the relief valve and if it is leaking enough to be a problem you will be able to feel the oil push your finger off the end of the valve slightly.You can check it by washing it up and then soaping it real good with some dishwashing detergent and water and apply air to the end that goes into the pump. If it is leaking you should replace it with a new one. The part # used to be 8N638. Hope this will give you some starting places. Zane in Al.

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8ndonmd

06-03-2001 15:11:16




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 Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Popster, 06-02-2001 21:18:33  
popster

I just replaced the safety relief valve on my 49 8n. It was doing exactly what yours is doing. I found it easier to drain the fluid. The relief valve is under the pto shaft and took some doing to get it out. I used a crows foot and a stubby 11/16 wrench. Luck



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A good example - Steve IA

06-03-2001 03:44:52




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 Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Popster, 06-02-2001 21:18:33  
Popster provides another good example of why a clear, descriptive subject line is important when posting here. my 2¢ Steve 8N 169302



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Hydraulics

06-03-2001 04:16:09




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 Re: Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to A good example - Steve IA, 06-03-2001 03:44:52  
would have been the keyword for the archives...on Zane



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Old George

06-03-2001 04:45:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Hydraulics , 06-03-2001 04:16:09  
Actually smart one, if you did a keyword search on "Zane" you would get over 5000 hits on varied subjects. Do a keyword search on these guys and you will have a lot of fun.
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Dr. Zane knows alot more than hydraulics! Go to a chat room.
Alan Esch

Who are you? Oh yea the comedian????? ?????

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Old George

06-02-2001 21:29:57




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 Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Popster, 06-02-2001 21:18:33  
"My 8N drops the rear 3 p hitch when the clutch is depressed "
That is normal on an N(no live PTO).

"when the tractor is shut down"
That could be caused by different things, most likely leaking past your lift piston rings. Click on the link below and make sure you read Dell's response. He gives a pretty good answer. Hope this helps.
Alan Esch
45 2N kit 183513

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OKcity8n

06-03-2001 07:15:28




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 Re: Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Old George, 06-02-2001 21:29:57  
Dropping the implement when the clutch is depressed is NOT normal for an 8n. The N 3-point hitch is power up, gravity down. If the hydraulics are working properly, the implement will hang high. Mine are not 100% well, but the heavy box blade will hang for over 4 hours with tranny in neutral and the engine off. It never drops while I am using it until I decided it is time for it to drop.



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I stand corrected...

06-03-2001 09:18:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to OKcity8n, 06-03-2001 07:15:28  
...not normal, just common.



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Popster

06-02-2001 21:51:09




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 Re: Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Old George, 06-02-2001 21:29:57  
Thanks for the reference. Dell's post does help. My mower now falls immediately and quickly when the clutch is depressed. It used to take a couple of minutes. An hour as Dell suggests would be heaven (and safe)!

Guess I'll pull the inspection plate, look for squirts and go from there.

As a general question, if I am going to drain and replace hydraulic fluid, would it be a good idea to replace the safety check valve at the same time? I assume the valve is original.

I have a bucket on the front and need weight on the back to counter balance the weight of the bucket. I need to repair damage to my seawall caused by Floyd!

Thanks!

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Paaul Haas - Pine Island MN

06-03-2001 05:01:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Help with keyword or poster name in search for 3pH problem in reply to Popster, 06-02-2001 21:51:09  
I would replace the safety valve - it is cheap and easy to do and beats the heck out of finding out after you replace the piston and rings with the NAA piston and o-ring that the valve needed replacing too.



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