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harley seabolt

03-01-2007 10:05:06




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has any body tried a solid state ingition plate on a side dist 8n? if so does it work better than points and condensor. thanks harley




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Randyr

03-02-2007 19:58:38




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
The pertronix systems do work great, but the cost of them will buy a lot of points, plugs, wires.
Probably better to have the engine in top shape first.



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52 8N

03-02-2007 05:48:07




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
Dell, love that old Air Force story!



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Pooh Bear

03-01-2007 19:38:51




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 Follow Up to Yesterdays Question: Electronic Ignit in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
1949 8N Front Mount, 12 volt Negative Ground.

Can I change it over to electronic ignition.

I read yesterday the possibility of the front axle pivoting and breaking off one of the cap nipples. I haven't had this happen yet but if I do with electronic ignition is it the same price to replace as a regular points and condensor system. Or is it some special EXPENSIVE cap that would be needed.

I'm not interested too much in originallity. I just want my tractor to be useable. Going on 3 years and this is the first trouble I have had with it. I'd like to know before I go buy a tune up kit for it tomorrow (Friday).

Pooh Bear

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Dell (WA)

03-01-2007 19:52:07




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 Re: Follow Up to Yesterdays Question: Electronic I in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-01-2007 19:38:51  
Pooh..... ...while a "bad" front axle king-pin can allow the axle to break your 4-nipple frontmount ignition cap #2 nipple. Ain't no biggie. New 4-nipple cap $20 (cheap). New frontaxle kingpin $30 (cheap) Stranded out in the middle of the field PRICELESS..... ....Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister



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Pooh Bear

03-01-2007 20:04:00




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 Re: Follow Up to Yesterdays Question: Electronic I in reply to Dell (WA), 03-01-2007 19:52:07  
Thanks Dell. I ain't never too far from the house to walk and haven't had one break yet. So I might just give this some serious consideration.

Pooh Bear



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Dakota Dave

03-01-2007 18:41:52




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
I installed a Pertronics in my 1968 Corvette about 6 years ago. works great . No Maintance startes well. runs noticably smother above 5000 RPM. Still have Points in all my tractors. not really worth the expence to change over. I don"t thing any of the tractors will ever get ovwer 5000 RPM.



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Hobo,NC

03-02-2007 04:12:03




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to Dakota Dave, 03-01-2007 18:41:52  
Every thang you state izz very true, I have installed many a HEI in old chevys and man what a difference it made. Most noticeable on a cold start up they would fire off and stay runing and a more noticeable increase in throttle response, Engine ran cleaner also. I spec that a change over on a N would also improve the combustion process also but B’n hardheaded like the rest I have left mine along altho sum day I will give it a try. To keep yer vett original look’s I know about all them fancy dist. and wire covers and rite much a job to install points so think that’s why you did not go wif HEI

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K.LaRue-VA

03-01-2007 13:35:10




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
I don't know how electronic ignition could "work better" than the points and condenser in my 6-volt 52-8N. It starts on the first try every time now???

I'm sure they work just fine when installed and connected properly. But there are at least a hundred other things I would spend $100 on before an electronic module for the 52 could even find a spot on my wish-list.

Your money, spend it any way you like. kl

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Lance in Brenham, TX

03-01-2007 12:41:38




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
Harley, you've got some great information here, but I want to throw in my 2 cents.

Yes, it is cheaper to just run clean, correctly adjusted points in your engine. But, I have put electronic ignitions in many old tractors, (2 cylinder & 4 cylinder), as well as inline 6 cylinder and V8 auto and truck engines. Some are 50+ years old and never rebuilt, some have been completely remanufactured. Every single engine runs BETTER with the electronic ignition. Just my humble opinion.

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BillM (OH)

03-01-2007 12:41:00




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
Well, they work great when they're working and when they don't, you're SOL. My Bronco went dead on the road a few years ago - small bubble in the electronic distributor module - tow to garage and replace was only solution. If my old Fords with "old fashioned" points and condenser quit, I can fix'em myself in about 15 minutes with spares on the shelf. I have therefore been leery of newfangled electronic ignition and will likely never convert. Your choice!!

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Jerry/MT

03-01-2007 11:45:34




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
I don't know that "they work better than points and condensor", but they take less maintenance and make for easier starts and smoother idling. Generally you need a 12V negative ground electrical system to operate them, though I understand that there are some 6V positive ground ones available.
I don't need to hone my point adjusting skills anymore ( I worked my way through college as an equipment mechanic in a steel mill and set a lifetimes worth of points) but I do need to minimize my time maintaining tractors and I need to have my TO-30 start when I need it. It's a working tractor on my ranch and I have enough to do without adding to my work load. They cost about $80-90. Your $'s, your choice

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Dell (WA)

03-01-2007 10:46:09




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
Harley..... ..electronic ignitions are just like 12-volt conversions, (controversial) bandaides to real problem of engine condition. This is NOT to say they don't work, the drop-in module for the side-mount distributor is a neat trick. But I can replace the points every year in my eazy starting 6-volt 8N for many years for the cost of enny electronic ignition. ($5 points, $150 electronic, your call) Infact, my last set of points lasted 15-yrs. BIG WHOOPIE!!!

There is NOTHING WRONG with electronic ignitions. I BUILT from scratch, my first transistorized electronic ignition in 1963. Used it in a '56-Dodge D-500 Hemi hot-rod. I knew the designer of the Delta MK-10 CD (capacitor discharge) HEL, we were fellow Television Station Engineers. Infact, I have one in my non-standard 165hp 1969 BMW 2002 with 385k miles on it. (yes, it goes like snott)

Electronic ignitions are great for high compression, high RPM engines whose owners are mechanically challenged. They've been MANDATED by gov't smog bureaucrats. (part of their long-life, no-maintenance philosophy for the mechanical ignorant)

Does your low compression (6:1), low RPM (2200max) flathead engine need electronic ignition. Well, maybe. Iff'n you want instant starting with NO MAINTENANCE on good condition engine, that'll work. But iff'n yer engine is tired, no amount of bandaides will make it an instant starter. Your $$$..... ..Dell, retired electronics engineer

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SteveB (OH)

03-01-2007 15:33:36




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to Dell (WA), 03-01-2007 10:46:09  
Dell, you write "I knew the designer of the Delta MK-10 CD (capacitor discharge) HEL..."

Boy does that bring back some memories !!

When I was a know-it-all 19 year old, I was driving my 1966 Citroen DS21 home from college with some friends when it just stopped. I was about 70 miles from home and had to call my Dad to come out and get me. It took him 2 1/2 minutes to diagnose that the Delta Mk 10 unit he had put on the car failed. He unhooked it from the car and it fired right up.

That's when I became motivated to really learn and understand automotive ignition systems.

I had the Delta unit repaired, and it failed again in short order. I had it repaired again, and then noticed that my Dad had mounted it on a sheet metal guard in the engine compartment that vibrated like crazy at running RPM's. I changed the mounting location and never had another problem with it (the Delta unit that is). I had the car 18 years and 246K miles.

I seem to remember crabbing at the Delta people about the short life of the unit, so if you are still in contact with your friend, let him know that it wasn't his fault after all :) :)

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Dell (WA)

03-01-2007 17:03:58




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to SteveB (OH), 03-01-2007 15:33:36  
Steve..... ..thats funny. I lost track of the TV engineer when I joined the AirForce in 1960. So you were the guy responsible for the RED by-pass push-button. (grin)

I helped one of my AirForce unit guys overhaul his Citroen DS19 with shop manuals in the the original French. (grin) Hey, pictures are pictures and numbers are numbers. First time I'd ever seen horizontal flat-four engine frontwheel drive. I was fascinated by the uppsie-downsie hydraulic suspensions system and the "hockey-puck" powerbrake pedal and dashboard tranny shifter lever.

When we were on final block assembly, we tried hand-turning the crankshaft in block (no pistons yet) and couldn't turn the crank. Looked up on the wall an saw we forgot a paper-thin metallic "thrust-washer" hanging on a nail. When we installed it per picture, I swore it would make the crankshaft TIGHTER. It didn't!!! It literally zipped in circle. Dang-Froggs. Still don't understand it.

For my "mechanizing", he treated me to a "Bullseye" steak at the Far Western Bar in Guadeloupe, Calif near Santa Maria and Vandenberg AFB Missile Base; 90-mi north of Santa Barbara. Thats 2-pounds of mouth-melting Fillet-Minot STEAK..... ..Dell, the hungry

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Ford 312

03-01-2007 10:46:01




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
I have had one on an 8N sidemount for over eight years. Works good - no complaints.



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bobeque

03-01-2007 10:35:32




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 Re: electronic ingnition in reply to harley seabolt, 03-01-2007 10:05:06  
I"ve had it on 8n side mount for six years now and on 80l for three. Neither has ever failed to start on first revolution and have yet to miss a beat. Yeah, I believe in it. b



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