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Max flat-head rpm?

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A. Bohemian

03-17-2007 10:57:49




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I'm still new to these tractors, so forgive a question.

On another thread a poster is worried that they are getting ONLY 1950 rpm!

Now, these little flat-head fours look VERY similar to the ones I've been seeing in Model A and T Fords all my life.

The figures for Model T are engraved in my heart: most develop maximum horsepower at around 35 mph; this translates to about 1500 rpm.

I'm less familiar with Model A (even though they were still a common sight when I was a small boy), but I seem to remember the hot rodders thinking 2000 rpm was too fast for a worn and more or less stock engine.

So, how fast is the engine in a late model 8N supposed to spin?

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Jerrycpp

03-19-2007 08:02:09




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-17-2007 10:57:49  
The N engines have a counterbalanced crankshaft allowing much higher RPM than the non-balanced A and T engines.



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CENTAUR

03-17-2007 11:51:59




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-17-2007 10:57:49  
The model T and A had only splash lubrication.The 9n,2n,8n have oil pump.Precision connecting rod bearings.It used many of the same components as the 1939 MERCURY such as the con rods,pistons,sleeves and valve assembliesCENTAUR



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A. Bohemian

03-17-2007 11:56:36




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to CENTAUR, 03-17-2007 11:51:59  
Yes, and T had cast-iron pistons, which is why one never races a cold T engine. Pretty normal for 1908, but by 1927 most cars had aluminium ones. I was pretty sure the pistons in the 8N engine were aluminium also.



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Dell (WA)

03-17-2007 11:06:27




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-17-2007 10:57:49  
AWE GEE..... .the 23hp N-Engine is governed for MAX RPMs at 2200rpms. Understand the concept?

Ungoverned, the N-Engine was used in WW2 Jeeps and 1940 city delivery vans and pickups and coupes and was rated at 36hp at 3600rpms.

Some midget car racers used ungoverned N-Engines and developed about 60hp at about 4000rpms..... .respectfully, Dell



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CENTAUR

03-17-2007 12:22:56




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to Dell (WA), 03-17-2007 11:06:27  
Yes the midgets used what they referred to as the (FERGY) engine but it was 1/2 of the 1939 FORD-built MERCURY engine.I do not think that there were any N- engined JEEPS other then the prototypes as the decided to go with the more powerful 134 cubic inch WILLYS which was also built by Ford under license.All parts interchanged.I think you knew this so please forgive me as I do not want to insult you.CENTAUR

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Hobo,NC

03-17-2007 12:50:07




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to CENTAUR, 03-17-2007 12:22:56  
Yes they did use the N engine a few years in Jeeps. The n engien izz based on "that" 1/2 of a V8 , least that what I read in a article by Harold L Brock. I also have a add fer the first N engines and it states they used steel pistons, even brag about it. Also have read that the N engine izz the smallest engine used by a tractor manufacture use to pull a 2 bottom plow. The little N engine izz a torque monster fer its size so High RPM izz not needed. My N turns around 1800 RPM and will git'R done so no need fer more RPM. That figger izz based on what my proof meter reads and it could be wrong but I spec close.

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Dell (WA)

03-17-2007 12:49:50




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to CENTAUR, 03-17-2007 12:22:56  
Centaur..... ...and the un-sleeved Ford-Fergy engine is??? sun'a'gun.....1/2 1939 Mercury V-8. Will wonders never cease?

Yes, the Ford Motor produced prototype vehicle to the Army's call for light reconnaissance vehicle did have the N-tractor engine. (hey, it was already in production) Bantam had a BETTER DESIGN but Willys-Overland had better Quartermaster Contracting connections and was awarded the contract using Bantam's design.

Some of the early 1942 Jeeps had Ford flathead N-engines because Willys-Overland didn't have enuff production capacity. Finally, Ford got casting molds of the Willys block and that kinda eazed the OHV F-Engine production problem. There was a lotta "cross-licensing" made during WW2. Airplanes were 'nutter' area, as well as TANKS..... ..Dell, the un-insulted NON-authority

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A. Bohemian

03-17-2007 11:54:24




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 Re: Max flat-head rpm? in reply to Dell (WA), 03-17-2007 11:06:27  
Thanks, Dell.

I knew Model A would spin faster; I don't know how many rpms hot rodders get out of them. Obviously, according to your info, at least 3500 or so.

Model T will spin faster too, of course. Most well-kept examples will go at least 40 mph, and many will do 50, which must approach 2000 rpm. But I wouldn't run one at that speed for long.



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