Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
:

Overheating

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Odie1

03-18-2007 19:52:00




Report to Moderator

Well, here I am again.

A few weeks back I posted about no power under load and overheating. I found what may have been a restriction in fuel flow, and things seemed to improve - power wise - but I really have not put a strain on things to check that out.

But the overheating part, that is a different story. Was out yesterday pulling a finsh mower, nothing too heavy, and after about 1 hour, I had a boil over. I do think I had the radiator a little too full, but rather than having fluid come out the overflow tube, I had the full blown spew out the radiator cap eruption.

Soooo, today I go out and check and the rad is about a quart lower than it should be. I went ahead and drained rad... stuff coming out didn't look too bad.... then refilled with water, ran for a few minutes, and drained again. Did this a couple of times. Finally refilled to the correct level (just covering the tubes) and went out to mow again.

Seems like the same song, second verse. I was finish mowing - not cutting anything too heavy - and after about 1 hour(this is not a guess, I timed it) I could tell the tractor was starting to overheat again.... started running a little rough, lost a little power, and saw the oil pressure drop from its normal 30 -35 into the mid 20s. Shut down the finish mower and drove steaily back to the shop...about 3 minutes. Once there I shut it down and could hear the coolant "boiling" in the engine for a good 4 - 5 minutes, but never did get the volcano effect this time.... I think I would have if I had continued.

So, I will list what I have checked so far, but I seem to be out of ideas, and I KNOW someone here can point me in the right direction...


Compression - checked after warming up a few weeks back and had 120-120-90-90 - dry. Leaky head gasket? No visible oil in rad or water in oil. I did fill the rad all the way to the top and watched for bubbles.. none detected..... but the fluid does swirl quit a bit.. I guess the water pump is working.

Thermostat - don't have one... I replaced the rad hoses last year there wasn't one in to start with, none is there now.... unless foreign terrorists came and installed one in and evil plot to..... never mind.

Radiator - nice and clean - no crud build up front or back.

Fan - spins nicely, thank you, and I did snug up the belt just to be sure.

Other things checked dealing with the power issue -

Fuel flow - good - cleaned all the screen, filters, etc.

Sparkies - nice, strong and blue. Tractor nearly the first time it turns over.

So, what now? I seem stumped as to why I am overheating.... after an hour??

Ideas please... and thanks...

Odie1

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
old

03-19-2007 08:01:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to Odie1, 03-18-2007 19:52:00  
Heres what I would do with it. I would drain the cooling system, the fill with vinager. Then go out and run it till if got up good and hot but not to the overheat points say 45 minutes or so. Shut it down and let it cool some then drain it out the block drain NOT the radiator drain. Then fill again with vinagar and run it till good and warm and drain again. Then rig up a back flush thing that goes into the block drain and flush it with a garden hose. Let it flush for about and hour or more. I made a thing that screws right into the block drain and hooks to a garden hose. All it is is an 1/8 inch pipe with a thing that gose up to hose size then a piece of old hose clamped to it. I have done this on 4 or 5 tractors because of your type of problem and doing this has worked well on all but one but that one has a thermostat problem

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bruce (VA)

03-19-2007 05:02:48




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to Odie1, 03-18-2007 19:52:00  
Check out tips 23, 24 & 35 regarding your problem:

Link


The most common reasons for overheating are debris in the radiator fins, overfilling the radiator, a slipping fan belt, low coolant, leaky or bad water pump, clogged radiator, stuck thermostat, clogged water jacket & no fan shroud. Other less common causes are timing, mixture & a blown head gasket. I'd suspect something real simple.....like debris or overfilling or a combination of the two.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
CENTAUR

03-18-2007 20:46:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to Odie1, 03-18-2007 19:52:00  
I would put in the proper thermostat so the coolant flow will slow down as it enters the radiator and have more time in the fins.Second,I would check the advance mechanism of the distributor.You might be able to determine that after removing the cap and twisting the rotor and noting possible resistance of the rubbing block of the points resting on the cam of the advance mechanism.Third I would make sure that the MAIN JET is set for maximum RPM at a high no load speed. CENTAUR

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dan hill

03-21-2007 04:13:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to CENTAUR, 03-18-2007 20:46:26  
This may rile up the experts but I post it anyway.Many Model A Fords were used to saw firewood.They would boil over if a thermostat was NOT used.This happened in december when we tried to saw wood.I called several men who used the A to saw wood and they said put a thermostat in the top hose.The boiling stopped, we could saw all day.One expert said I didnt know what I was talking about.A friends Dad used a Model A engine to run a small rotary saw mill for many years until he bought a Farmall tractor.He gave me the A engine and transmission.I still have the transmission.I helped Joe Ribero saw wood in the early sixtys on his Model A saw rig.He was 80 years old and still selling firewood.He used a thermostat from an early Ford V8 in the top hose.Been there,Done that.Running with out a thermostat is DUMB.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bill Priday

03-19-2007 07:06:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to CENTAUR, 03-18-2007 20:46:26  
My understanding is that the proper thermostat for that application (any N series) is: NONE

Am I misguided? (At least on this issue...)

Bill



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bruce (VA)

03-19-2007 07:54:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to Bill Priday, 03-19-2007 07:06:05  
Yep, you are misguided on this one. Check out tip # 25:

Link

A cool running engine is going to create engine wear problems.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Odie1

03-18-2007 21:12:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to CENTAUR, 03-18-2007 20:46:26  
Centaur,

I think I recall how to set the main jet, and believe I have, but will recheck.

I guess I have never known how to check to see if the advance is working on the dist.

Once I have the dist. off the tractor and in my hand, what should one do?

Thanks again
Odie



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
gahorN

03-18-2007 20:35:57




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to Odie1, 03-18-2007 19:52:00  
Run it an hour and open the radiator cap and check it for carbon monoxide fumes. (leaking head gasket)



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jimmyjack

03-18-2007 20:26:40




Report to Moderator
 Re: Overheating in reply to Odie1, 03-18-2007 19:52:00  
You could have some crap in the cooling jacket. The fact that it takes an hour to overheat makes me believe there is a partial blockage somewhere. Hose pinched? I believe in thermostats and run about 175-180. How long since the radiator was rodded out? Might be clean on the outside and partially plugged on the inside.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy