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tra8ns am man

03-23-2007 07:30:53




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I have been trying to figure out a ignition problem with my 52 8n. it has a slow climb from idle to operating rpms. I accidently noticed while checking plugs that if I leave any plug wire just above the plug, not connected but spark jumps to plug, she "PURRS LIKE A KITTEN" when I snap it all of the way on it goes back to the loss of power, slow climbing rpm stage. I always assumed it was normal for the 20 something horsepower engine, but after I heard it run with a plug wire not fully connected I am astonished and want this power it should have. It has been converted to 12 volt system. Could someone have not done something right?

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ron tepoel

03-23-2007 09:05:57




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to tra8ns am man, 03-23-2007 07:30:53  
this is normal for a dirty spk plug

set gap to match coil



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Bruce (VA)

03-23-2007 11:32:29




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to ron tepoel, 03-23-2007 09:05:57  
"set gap to match coil ". What does that mean? A 12v coil should result in a different spark plug gap than if it was 6v? Please explain that.....I might actually learn something today!



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tra8ns am man

03-23-2007 11:09:47




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to ron tepoel, 03-23-2007 09:05:57  
thanks guys, I'm going to try replacing the plugs and checking the polarity on the coil tonite,I just went and bought plugs at lunch but they are Champion H12s. Hopefully they are as good as the Autolites. I have heard more N'ers using the Autolites? It has Champion H10's in it now. Is it true the H12's are hotter?



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dan hill

03-23-2007 15:36:06




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to tra8ns am man, 03-23-2007 11:09:47  
H10s are no longer reccomended.H12s are the right plug now.I wont use them.Autolite 216 or 437 are a better choice.Letting spark jump a gap lets the voltage build to a higher level and fires a carbon fouled plug.A lower voltage spark will run up the nose of the insulator on the carbon instead of jumping the gap.I have seen this happen in my shop testing plugs with a model T coil.Not something I read about or heard about but actual work experience.

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Bruce (VA)

03-23-2007 11:30:24




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to tra8ns am man, 03-23-2007 11:09:47  
Yep, H-12's are hotter. Check out tip # 7. Also, check out tip # 33 for coil polarity info.

http://www.ytmag.com/articles/artint268.htm



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Dell (WA)

03-23-2007 07:49:52




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to tra8ns am man, 03-23-2007 07:30:53  
Transam..... ..yep, that extra sparkie gap can jump-start the inside the engine gap sparkle. Usually caused by fouled plugs with invisable no-lead contamination ...or... oil-fouling.

Infact, Champion used to sell a special internal gapped sparkie for just this problem.

Me? I'd just replace yer sparkies with "hotter" AutoLite AL437's gapped 0.025".

Then I'd check the ignition coil polarity. Incorrect polarity can LOOSE upto -40% of yer sparkies.

Since I don't know the gory details of yer 12-volt conversion, the tractor could have the old original 6-volt coil that has molded "points" on one of its terminals, or it could have (+) molded on one of its terminals. In either case, (+) to the distributor points feed-thru is WRONG 'cuz yer 12-volt conversion points are negative ground.

Recommend a real 12-volt ignition coil with NO RESISTORS. The NAPA IC-14SB ($15, cheap) is popular and even has hotter sparkies too. Coil (-) to the distributor points feedthru. Simple, eh?..... ..Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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tra8ns am man

03-23-2007 11:16:30




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 Re: weird spark problem!! in reply to Dell (WA), 03-23-2007 07:49:52  
I still don't quite understand why on any of the four plugs if I remove the wire from the plug and make it jump the gap to the plug why it instanly runs so much better? I only have done one plug at a time to ensure it wasn't just the one plug/wire.All do the same thing, and it sounds great can't wait to get off work and try the new plugs and maybe reverse the polarity at the coil.
THANKS VERY MUCH MY PERSONAL "SPARKIE MEISTER" DELL!!

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Bob

03-23-2007 13:57:43




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 Spark intensifier..... I've posted this before... in reply to tra8ns am man, 03-23-2007 11:16:30  
Spark intensifier.....

That was the term used for all sorts of "doohickeys" back in the "old days" that accomplished what you are doing by holding the wire away from the spark plug.

Read all about them at the link below; including how they make a "carboned" plug fire:



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A. Bohemian

03-23-2007 18:03:21




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 Well, what do you know? in reply to Bob, 03-23-2007 13:57:43  
The name Meissner is very well known to radio men. His interest in sparks was not limited to engines, but extended into the then new field of wireless telegraphy; many early transmitters were spark-gap rigs.

In fact, you can make a dandy transmitter out of almost any car, from any year, using the battery and one of the relays. You can make a better one using the coils in a car so equipped; many old Ford coils found their way into transmitters in the Model T era.

Back to Meisenner: They produced a VERY popular transmitter, with an 807 final IIRC, as late as the "forties and "fiftties:

Link

So, thanks again, Bob, for bringing this to my attention.

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