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Delendo est Thermostato!

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A. Bohemian

03-29-2007 08:02:47




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The debate over whether a thermostat is a true necessity in a warm climate rages on and on, on these and other mechanical boards. It will never be settled by either side.

The pro-necessity side often point to excessive carbon buildup during the extended warm-up. This results from the gasoline/air charge being burned less thoroughly while the engine is reaching operating temperature.

The anti-necessity side can usually point to numerous examples in their experience of a tractor, car, or truck being operated permanently without a thermostat with no apparent ill results.

Me, I've taken the same position on this issue I've taken in the Six Volt Conversion Flame Wars, another issue which rages on all antique vehicle boards and which will never be settled.

That position is a neutral one. I think each side has good arguments and that each individual must make their own decision.

As for me, if the engine is overheating, I usually remove the thermostat as part of the troubleshooting procedure. If I am away from home or trying to finish a specific task, I will occasionally run the engine without a thermostat temporarily until I can conveniently replace it. But never for an extended period of time.

And, please note this policy is only applicable to older engines. Modern engines designed since the advent of the Plague of Computers often have cooling systems which are stretched to the limit in order to avoid spening one extra tenth of a cent on materials, and these designs often take into account the thermo-dynamic turbulance created by the thermostat being in-line. Removing the thermostat (or making any other change) on newer engines should be undertaken with EXTREME caution.

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Dunk

03-29-2007 19:31:53




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 Re: Delendo est Thermostato! in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-29-2007 08:02:47  
That is a VERY GOOD post.

I totally agree!!

There may be someone on here that may just sway my opinion.

Bruce(VA) makes for some very good logic. Especially on engine running temp.



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Hobo,NC

03-29-2007 15:15:54




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 Re: Delendo est Thermostato! in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-29-2007 08:02:47  
I run a 6v thermostat originally a positive ground in mine that's been converted to a 12V negative ground thermostat wif no ill effects. I never use a tractor much in cold weather so I will stay wif my EZ starting 6V thermo that werks quite well @ 160 deg, enny one kmow iff'n this 180 thermo izz for a 12v system. the more I think about it less its operated in cold temps I don't see were the 180 izz worth a upgrade. Flatheads run hot enuff wif a 160 in summer temps. Mine runs 200 to 210 when i werk it wif the 160. It will hover around the 180 to 190 range lolly gag'n around, sounds like its operating just rite to me.

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Tom43

03-29-2007 08:22:56




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 Re: Delendo est Thermostato! in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-29-2007 08:02:47  
The necessity of a thermostat in modern cars is not due to "dynamic turbulence" but to the E.P.A. requirement of reduced hydrocarbon emissions achieved by a hotter engine. If the thermostat is removed from a computer driven car, the engine will stay in open loop with drastically rduced fuel economy and carbon formation. It would be like running with the choke on all the time.



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A. Bohemian

03-29-2007 10:37:02




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 Sorry. Outdated information. in reply to Tom43, 03-29-2007 08:22:56  
I didn't make this up, Tom43, it was in the Chilton's manual for my Chevy Citation. I found it when I read the procedure for changing out the thermostat.

However, your comments made me realize THAT design is now twenty-seven years old(!), and not exactly modern.

You're quite right. On a truely modern car, the computer needs the data stream from the thermostat or it won't run properly.

But there was a generation in between, when computers were being used for (over)designing but not for controlling almost every conceivable automotive function, and with some of those engines we were warned removing a thermostat could CAUSE overheating.

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