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acwhitten

04-12-2007 21:21:54




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I have inherited my father's 51 8n. With a little work, I have it running fairly well. I recently moved, and when starting it I heard a loud clunk. Obviously it was the starter and ring gear. I pulled the starter, and as expected I found the problem. The starter gear was gone (missing), but the rest of the starter drive was in tack. After inspecting the starter and brushes, I picked up a nice looking rebuilt original starter and drive for 75 bucks. The ring gear looked bad, but I thought I would try it before I split the tractor. I heard a similiar clunk when turning the engine over. However, I really wanted to sow my back yard and drill some post holes before I split the tractor. So, I rolled the engine over and tried again. It started, but I heard what sounded like the rear main whining. It scared me and I turned it off. After some serious thought about how well it had been running, I started it again. The noise was gone, but when I pressed the clutch in another noise appeared. It sounded like the pilot bearing or the throw-out bearing. When I let of the clutch it went away. I quickly connected the box blade (using the clutch numerous times). I returned the tractor to the garage, thinking that a split was in my near future. A friend at work suggested I run it to see it the bearing would loosen up (tractor hasn't been run in years). Today I started it up and pressed in the clutch. I heard no noise. What up? I used the box blade for an hour (back and forth). The clutch work fine with no noise. Any suggestions? Part of the starter gear fall into the clutch? I've used these ford tractors alot when growing up, but short of a clutch job I haven't worked on them much. I'm looking for some expert help. I will have a lot more posts when I begin a full restoration job. Thanks in advance.

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Dell (WA)

04-13-2007 01:21:20




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 Re: starter problems then clutch in reply to acwhitten, 04-12-2007 21:21:54  
acwhitten..... ...would it surprize you to learn Ford actually designed "starter parts storage space" in the clutch/tranny housing? You doubt? Lotta N-tractors are carrying starter bendix gear parts that drop off'n end of shaft with NO HARM.

They sometime bounce against the flywheel pressure plate and ricochet around. Parts can NOT get caught in flywheel starter ringgear 'cuz its deepset in its own special groove.

And yes, there's supposted to be danglin' cotter keys from the tranny drip holes. Ford's hi-tech automatic greesy dirt drain cleaner.

Would you believe ringgear inspection is best by "finger"? You doubt? Rub the BACKSIDE of the starter ringgear thru the tranny hole with finger for "sharpies". No BLOOD, no sharpies. Yes, the backside of the teeth are supposed to be "slanted" but NOT SHARP.

Generally, you only replace yer starter ringgear ($20, cheap) when you consistently have Bendix geargrind or non-engagement. And that requires splitting yer tractor. Don't be fooled by gummed up or WORN starter bendix 1-way pawls that will also cause geargrind and non-engagement. New improved clutch style starter bendix $40 (cheap)..... ...Dell

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A. Bohemian

04-13-2007 08:10:31




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 Bearing May be Okay. For Now. in reply to Dell (WA), 04-13-2007 01:21:20  
In my personal experience, clutch noise which occurs when the clutch is disengaged (pedal in) and goes away when the clutch is engaged (let out), has without fail been a bad throwout bearing.

This noise is often INTERMITTENT at first. Some bearings die VERY slowy, squealing a horrifying death wail like some mythic banshee in winter and sounding better in warm weather.

Others squeal at times and work silently at times, for no discernable reason. The one in my Citation seemed to act up only when I had a date...

Others go all at once.

As long as you don't hear any noise, it SHOULD be okay. But no one can tell you for how long...

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acwhitten

04-13-2007 10:15:21




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 Re: Bearing May be Okay. For Now. in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-13-2007 08:10:31  
Thanks Dell and A. Bohemian. I understand there is plenty of room at the bottom of the fly wheel for spare parts. And I my experience with throwout bearings is the same. But the one thing that bugs me is that bad noise I heard on start-up. Anyone with any common sense would immediately kill the engine if they heard this noise. And the clutch was not pushed in. Could the fork have been barely riding the throwout bearing. On that first start-up, I didn't touch the clutch pedal. I was too busy reaching for key to kill it.

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A. Bohmeian

04-13-2007 10:45:17




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 BTDT. in reply to acwhitten, 04-13-2007 10:15:21  
Quote: "I was too busy reaching for key to kill it."

I know the feeling.



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