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Testing a coil

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sparklessgreg

04-15-2007 13:33:39




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I have a 9n with a 6 volt system that has no spark. I have already changed out the points and the condensor. I also checked current through the switch and resistor. Everything looks alright but still no spark. How do I check the coil?




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sparlessgreg

04-15-2007 20:19:07




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 Re: Testing a coil in reply to sparklessgreg, 04-15-2007 13:33:39  
Thanks for the help guys! Found the problem, turned out to be a wimpy wire from the switch to coil. It had plenty of voltage but not enough current. Changed it out and now have plenty of spark.



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Dell (WA)

04-16-2007 08:50:00




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 Re: Testing a coil in reply to sparlessgreg, 04-15-2007 20:19:07  
Greg..... ..thanks for follow-up. We're only as good a guessers as you are the describer..... .Dell, the flunked mindreader, just ask my ex-wife



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Dell (WA)

04-15-2007 17:57:12




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 Re: Testing a coil in reply to sparklessgreg, 04-15-2007 13:33:39  
Greg..... ..the Bohemian got it right with good instructions; and so did Goodney about "stretching" the danglin' springy-thingy and even better hint on making the hollow-head springy-thingy taller is real good.

But you asked specifically "How do I check the coil? With an ohm-meter. And even then all it will do is tell you continuity.

Connect one meter lead to the top-terminal and then measure resistance (continuity) to the bottom connections. Primary springy-thingy should be about 1-ohm, almost dead short. Secondary spoontab should be almost 7000-ohms, about mid-scale. These values ain't critical for testing purposes, just to make you feel warm and fuzzy.

Why ain't the resistances critical? 'cuz just one or two shorted turns of the 1-ohm primary is enuff to cause weak sparkies and hard starting. It takes lab-grade $$$ ohm-meters to detect that short under the insulative tar.

The only real shadetree mechanic way to test for weak sparkies is by calibrated sparkie-gap. You can make one yerself from enny old sparkie layin'round. Bend the side-electrode out for a full 3/16in gap. Plug enny sparkie wire to yer clamped-down tester and try to start yer engine while watching for sparkies jumpin' the gap. Do the sparkies jump with blue-snott authority? or are the wimpy yellowish-orangish excuse? or no sparkie at all?

Just for reference, my eazy starting 6-volt roundcan 5-nipple 8N sparkies will jump a full 3/8in gap..... ...Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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A. Bohemian

04-15-2007 14:45:59




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 Well... in reply to sparklessgreg, 04-15-2007 13:33:39  
...I test them by substitution. I always keep a spare around and swap them out occasionally to make sure the spare hasn't gone bad on the shelf.

Dell will no doubt weigh in on this one; he may tell you to replace the ignition switch; this seems to be a common problem.

FWIW the first thing I ALWAYS check when a tractor won't start is the reading on the ammeter. This can be done right from the seat without disconneting or replacing anything and only takes a few seconds, so it is an efficient use of time and money to run the following test BEFORE starting to replace things:

Throw the switch and, without cranking, check the current flow. It should be steady at 2-4 amps for almost all vehicles. I understand it should be at around 3 amps on N Fords, but these ammeters weren't THAT accurate when new, so 2-4 amps may be a good range.

No discharge or only a fraction of an amp? The points are either bad or they are not closed. But Kettering systems almost always come to rest with the points closed.

Crank the motor briefly watching the ammeter. The points should close at some point and show current flow.

No current flow ever? Bad points or an open some where in the points circuit.

Normal current flow at rest? Crank some more. As the points open, the meter should flicker every time a cylinder passes top dead center.

Actually, the current flow goes to zero as the points open and then hops back up to 3 amps as they snap closed; but the meter shows all this as a flicker.

Current flow normal but constant with no flicker? Points not opening or shorted.

As Dell says, you have current flow but no spark with the points closed, and no current flow but spark with them open.

"All else (is) confusion." - Milton

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John H Goodney

04-15-2007 14:17:17




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 Re: Testing a coil in reply to sparklessgreg, 04-15-2007 13:33:39  
Check to make sure the "spring" in the center of the coil is contacting the screw head...because a replacement screw was installed in a non-running 9n I purchased...all it needed was a washer under the screw head. Of course the proper correction would be to install the correct part...Have seen this problem 3 times....the point on the "spring" burns off if not in solid contact with the screw head....there by not allowing current flow...making one think the coil is bad...but on the other hand you may have a bad coil...

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