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8N 12v battery shorted out electrical system - Hel

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LyndaG

05-01-2007 09:33:09




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Bought 52 8N. Has 12V conversion. Bump knocked battery over and positive ground hit the body and shorted out electrical system. Have voltmeter and 12+ volts thru-out system, but won't start or even click. Any one know where to start diagnosis or what could have shorted out?




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LyndaG

05-01-2007 19:09:49




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 Re: 8N 12v battery shorted out electrical system - in reply to LyndaG, 05-01-2007 09:33:09  
FIXED!!!!! !!!!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

It was the negative battery lead. Actually the wire was fine but it made some nice weld-marks on the connecting ends. Cleaned them up and started right up. (duh!)

Thanks all for your quick replies.



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Gene-AL

05-01-2007 18:29:21




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 Re: 8N 12v battery shorted out electrical system - in reply to LyndaG, 05-01-2007 09:33:09  
LyndaG,
Question -
Measuring 12V+ everywhere - with respect to What?

If you are measuring 12V+ on all the electrical components while the other meter lead is on the battery Negative terminal, then I'd say that your Battery Ground cable is burned open, which is a distinct possibility if your battery fliped over and the Positive (ungrounded) post hit the metal frame of the tractor (I'm assuming you have, or had, the negative battery post connected to the tractor frame for ground before this happened). I'd say fix the ground cable. Shorting the battery at its terminals shouldn't affect anything else - although I don't know exactly what might happen to an alternator which is charging, but is suddenly shorted to ground. I wouldn't expect anything else to be affected at all.
My humble opinion...

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jarhead0861

05-01-2007 10:22:43




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 Re: 8N 12v battery shorted out electrical system - in reply to LyndaG, 05-01-2007 09:33:09  
I'm only commenting here because I have been working on my electrical on my 8N recently and had some of those problems. I burned up a wire that I over looked. Sounds like you did the same....I would start tracing your electrical and see if any of your wires are burned...then start checking your parts...ignition...started relay...ect.. Try even running a jumper from your batt to your starter.

Good luck...this board has been a TON of help to me and i'm sure these old boys will get you up and running in no time!

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Dell (WA)

05-01-2007 10:21:16




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 Re: 8N 12v battery shorted out electrical system - in reply to LyndaG, 05-01-2007 09:33:09  
Lynda..... ..dang, I hate poorly done 12-volt conversions done by fly-by-nite shadetree mechanics. (ain't yer fault you didn't secure yer 12-volt battery) I'll bettcha you gonna secure it now, ain'cha? tip: black rubber truckers bungie works, trim to fit.

All-righty, you claim you can read 12-volts everywhere, so right now were gonna assume your "arc-welding" battery didn't fry yer wiring harness. Most likely suspect is loose battery clamps. Even loose battery clamps will pass enuff volts to run a voltmeter (its a technical thing) but won't power yer solenoid nor starter motor.

REMEMBER the battery MANTRA: "keep'em clean, brite'n'tite".

You may have let the smoke outta yer 12-volt alternator with solid state guttz but we won't know until you gitt'chur tractor engine runnin'. Unless yer paranoid, then take yer alternator into any autoparts store for a "free" check-out, right now. (but I wouldn't 'cuz tractors can run a long time on just a battery)

Also check for any loose wiring connections, wiggle them wires where they are screwed to sumptin'.

After all the simple checks, get back to us with the "gory details" what worked or didn't work and you'll gitt more better educated guesses..... ...Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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A. Bohemian

05-01-2007 10:54:31




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 What Sayeth Thine Ammeter? in reply to Dell (WA), 05-01-2007 10:21:16  
If you have twelve volts everywhere throughout the system, and I mean EVERYWHERE, you may not have any current flow (Ohm's Law and all kindsa stuff like that there).

When you flick on the ignition, before cranking, you should see 3 amps or so current flow.

Say on, oh ammeter!



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LyndaG

05-01-2007 15:48:44




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 Re: What Sayeth Thine Ammeter? in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-01-2007 10:54:31  
The Ammeter is not hooked up, not working. It was by passed for some reason.



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A. Bohemian

05-02-2007 07:52:00




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 Re: What Sayeth Thine Ammeter? in reply to LyndaG, 05-01-2007 15:48:44  
Ok. Sorry to hear it. Insert what Dell said about unfortunate 12 volt conversions here.

I don't know what to tell you. On the one hand, I think it much easier to diagnose a case like yours with a good working ammeter in the dash board. And anyway, it's a good idea to have a working ammeter so you can monitor the functioning of the voltage regulator/generator.

On the other hand, it is generally a good idea to focus on one thing at a time.

Your call.

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