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Ron11

05-07-2007 08:36:11




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I just purchased a 9N or 2N tractor with a 8N motor. I am planning a complete tuneup, spark plugs, plug wires, points, distributor, etc. I am looking for advice/tips/hints on making the job as painless as possible. The distributor is on the front of the motor. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.




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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 10:51:25




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 Here's Where I Assume... in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 08:36:11  
Ron 11: What old said about the manual.

Also, you say you have just purchased this tractor. That IMPLIES you might be a newbie.

If so, you might not start wholesale replacement of the electrical system components just yet.

A properly-done tune up doesn't hurt anything. But it is far better to diagnose and repair any problems BEFORE doing the tune up!!!!!

This is a common error made by novices. It often results in unnecessary expense and frustration.

Instead, please tell us what the engine is doing that makes you think a tune-up is NECESSARY.

Other information, such as how long you have owned this tractor, what the seller said about it, and especially, your own level of expertise will help prevent us from making inapropriate guesses.

Enjoy your Ford. Keep us posted.

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Ron11

05-07-2007 11:01:08




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 Re: Here's Where I Assume... in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-07-2007 10:51:25  
A.B.
I am a newbie of sorts. My Dad had 8n tractors that I drove when I was 8-10 years old in the hayfield. I know just enough to be dangerous I guess. The problem is the engine is missing some and it does not have the power it should. All advice accepted.



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8N'r--WI

05-07-2007 11:26:29




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 Re: Here's Where I Assume... in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 11:01:08  
Ron---is this the tractor with all the attachments that you asked us about last week?

What was the owner using it for and when did he last use it? Did the owner say if he thought anything needed to be done mechanically on the tractor?

For starters, you may want to go to the "Articles" section of this site. It is located on the left side of your screen under "Research and Info". Read the "50 Tips for Ford N Owners. There are a lot of helpful hints that you may find useful--

Have fun with your "new" tractor---Tim

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Ron11

05-07-2007 12:25:44




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 Re: Here's Where I Assume... in reply to 8N'r--WI, 05-07-2007 11:26:29  
8n'r
That is the tractor with all the attachments. Owner did not use it much and did not seem to know to know much about Ford tractors. Thanks for the tip on the Articles section. Your help is appreciated.

Ron11



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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 11:23:10




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 Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 11:01:08  
Ron: Thanks for the info.

First off, you should know that there are levels of expertise on this board. I personally would defer to Dell, Hugh, old, a couple of Jims, and many many others.

In turn I have some more questions. Does the missing seem regular, or is it erratic? Does it occure more at idle, higher speeds, or is it the same at all speeds?

Early in the diagnostic process I like to try the simple tests first.

Check the fuel flow. I like to pull the drain plug as this tests flow through the whole system up to the carb throat. When you pull the drain plug you should see a steady flow about the diameter of the fuel line. I'd run a gallon or so through and look for inconsistencies.

If your fuel flow checks out, next you might consider trying to isolate the problem to one cylinder. You can do this at the same time you check for good spark by using the following procedure:

Start at the front, by the radiator. Pull the spark line from the plug. Take a spark plug with the gap adjusted all the way out to 3/16" and pop the line onto it. Hold the plug next to the block and crank. You should see a nice blue spark jump the full 3/4".

While you have the line disconnected, listen CAREFULLY to the engine run. Is the engine running about the same? The problem is likely to be in cylinder number one.

Is the missing worse? The problem is not likely to be exclusive to cylinder number one. Write down your observations and replace the spark line. Then move on to cylinder two and perform the same tests. If necessary, continue down the line, always replacing the previously tested line before disconnecting the next one.

The idea is not to mix up the firing order (1243). If in the course of this examination you find that someone HAS mixed up the firing order, you've probably found your problem.

If, after running the above spark test, it is found that removing the spark wire from each cylinder in turn DOES NOT affect the way the engine runs, the problem is likely to be in systems common to all cylinders.

Finally, I should certainly point out that many including myself have found the ignition switches on Ford tractors problematic. If the above fuel test reveals nothing, and you seem to have weak spark, you could try replacing the ignition switch before doing a wholesale tune up.

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Ron11

05-07-2007 12:15:01




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-07-2007 11:23:10  
A.B. The missing is continuous not erractic. I will follow your instructions on the diagnostics test and let you know what I find. Thanks for the help!!



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old

05-07-2007 12:52:25




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 12:15:01  
Ron is you can start the engine up. Then pull one plug wire at a time, putting it back on after each time. Doing that will tell you where the miss is. Be careful because it can and will zap the $%^%^ out of you if your not careful. Then when you know which cylinder has the miss pull that plug out and make sure it looks good, not covered in oil etc. Also check to make sure that plug has a nice brite blue spark. If it doesn't then you may have a bad plug and or plug wire.

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Ron11

05-07-2007 13:16:02




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to old, 05-07-2007 12:52:25  
Old - How do I pull the plug wires without getting the &#$%^&* shocked out of me? (I have had that happen before and it was not pleasant) What would you do?

Ron11



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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 14:09:27




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 13:16:02  
I think old is telling you the same basic things I am, but he's a lot more concise.

The fact that the missing is consistent means it is likely to be limited to one cylinder.

I usually shut off the engine to pull the wires; old may know something I don't.



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old

05-07-2007 14:05:24




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 13:16:02  
Well one way is the pliers that are made just for that. Another way that works some times but not always is a good pair of gloves.



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murn ga

05-07-2007 15:27:50




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to old, 05-07-2007 14:05:24  
A long screw driver to ground the plug to the head will do the same job,right?



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old

05-07-2007 15:33:44




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to murn ga, 05-07-2007 15:27:50  
Ya if you can keep it ground and pull the wire at the same time. If for just a moment it looses ground then you get bit



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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 11:35:18




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 Clarification in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-07-2007 11:23:10  
Quote: "If, after running the above spark test, it is found that removing the spark wire from each cylinder in turn DOES NOT affect the way the engine runs, the problem is likely to be in systems common to all cylinders."

I probably should have written, "If, after running the above test, it is found that removing the spark line from each cylinder has the same result regardless of which line is removed, then the problem is likely to be in systems common to all cylinders."

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8N'r--WI

05-07-2007 10:14:38




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 Re: 8N Tuneup Help in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 08:36:11  
Ron11----what Old said is absolutely correct, however, there has been some "Newbie" confusion recently on describing what a "Front Mount" Distributor is on an 8N motor.

Early 8N motors have the "Front Mount" distributor located right behind the fan and have the "crab style" 4-plug distributor cap with points gapped at .015" just as Old described.

On the later model 8N, the distributor is near the Front of the Engine but is actually mounted on the side of the engine--this was the source of confusion a few weeks ago.

The "side mount" distributor has a "round" 5 wire cap and the points are gapped at .025"

Tim

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old

05-07-2007 08:57:52




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 Re: 8N Tuneup Help in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 08:36:11  
First off get an FO-04 manual for it if you haven't already. Then to turn it up you just pull the 2 botls that how the distubutor on and put in the new points etc. sitting at a table. The distubutor will only go back on one way unless you force it to go on and then it will brake. You set the points at .015.

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Ross Pugh(NC)

05-08-2007 06:43:34




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 Re: 8N Tuneup Help in reply to old, 05-07-2007 08:57:52  
Iagree, as old just said, the first thing any new owner of a "N" needs to somehow, aomeway, someplace get yeself a copy of the I&T FO-4 Shop Manual. This manual will help new owners with their new "N" tractors more than anything else I know of. It has good pictures that show ye what the work ye are doing looks like, such as inside the distributor , for points installation. GET ONE!!!



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Ross Pugh(NC)

05-08-2007 06:43:31




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 Re: 8N Tuneup Help in reply to old, 05-07-2007 08:57:52  
Iagree, as old just said, the first thing any new owner of a "N" needs to somehow, aomeway, someplace get yeself a copy of the I&T FO-4 Shop Manual. This manual will help new owners with their new "N" tractors more than anything else I know of. It has good pictures that show ye what the work ye are doing looks like, such as inside the distributor , for points installation. GET ONE!!!



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