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so what does a blue spark look like???

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ED-IL

05-08-2007 03:39:46




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Posted yesterday about '46 2N (6v) not running more than a few seconds (if that) after replacing points, condenser, coil...

Checked voltage at coil - 6v when points open, 4.1 closed.

Pulled plug and placed it on manifold - saw spark in the afternoon sun, but it looked white/orange; tried it again at dusk and it looked white.

How do I know what a blue spark looks like, and what would be the cause of a non blue spark, and could this be the cause of my problems?

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Danny in CO

05-08-2007 11:38:34




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to ED-IL, 05-08-2007 03:39:46  
Ed,

You say the points are new and set correctly. Front mount distributor points should be set at .015" and side mount are set at .0025". Is your's set at .015"? Just checking! Plugs should be set at .025" for both.

Danny



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ED-IL

05-08-2007 14:26:16




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to Danny in CO, 05-08-2007 11:38:34  
yup - the tune-up kit came with a metal strip stamped 0.15 for gapping - much more accurate than the last time I changed them 6 years ago. I kinda guessed then.

Thanks for the input

ed



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A. Bohemian

05-08-2007 10:19:37




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 I See Plasma! in reply to ED-IL, 05-08-2007 03:39:46  
Another way to answer your question: air serves as a dialectric in the spark plug. High voltage (you DO know about the secondary on that coil, right?) causes the dialectric to break down, permitting current flow.

This creates a plasma arc, which we interpret as the "spark", and which emits visable light. The frequency of light that the arc emits is directly variable with the amount of energy that produces the plasma arc.

In other words, all other factors being equal, a healthy ignition system creates plasma which tends to radiate a relatively greater amount of light toward the ultra-violet end of the spectrum, which looks blue.

A weaker system that cannot provide as much energy creates a plasma arc that tends to emit lower-frequency light, closer to the infra-red part of the spectrum, which looks orange-ish.

This is one reason why I like to leave the points in my Farmall. When a civillian freind sees the Farmall, and they ask "What the heck is THAT?," I can look them in the eye and say, "It's a gasoline-powered plasma generator from the 'fifties..."

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Colin King

05-08-2007 12:25:23




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 Re: I See Plasma! in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-08-2007 10:19:37  
If we had a "Best of YT" I think that response would belong right at the top!

Colin, MN



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Dell (WA)

05-08-2007 05:40:19




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to ED-IL, 05-08-2007 03:39:46  
Ed..... ...giggle.....sorry, would you believe WHITE-HOT is HOTTER'n'BLUE SNOTT sparkies???

6.3v (battery volts) when points open is normal, 3.0v when closed is normal; 4.1v points closed normally means yer points are BURNED and need replaced. Its the LAW; Kirchhoff's Law.

Howsomevers, burned points also mean weak wimpy yellowish-orangish sparkies which is incompatible with yer report of white-hot sparkies.

While 4.1v is compatible with white-hot sparkies caused by missing or bypassed or shorted "infamous ballast resistor". And iff'n yer ballast resistor is missing or bypassed, then 4.1v is compatible with burned weaksister ignition switch guttz. ($10, cheap) Normally, ballast resistor and BAD IGNITION switch causes about 2v at the coil and weak wimpy yellowish-orangish sparkies, start lookin' fer yer "infamous ballast resistor, and report back..... ...Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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ED-IL

05-08-2007 06:49:57




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to Dell (WA), 05-08-2007 05:40:19  
Hey Dell- actually I replaced my ballast resistor about three years ago, with a shiney new one that didn't at all like the old one. Although I suppose that it could be the culprit, if it is letting too much juice go by.

Points are new and gapped correctly, so I don't think it was them.

I will keep looking, Thanks for your help.



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ED-IL

05-08-2007 03:59:22




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to ED-IL, 05-08-2007 03:39:46  
And as a followup, what are the implications of installing the distributor 180 degrees where it should be?



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dan hill

05-08-2007 04:02:05




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to ED-IL, 05-08-2007 03:59:22  
You cant do it without breaking the mounting ears off the distributor.



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ED-IL

05-08-2007 06:54:47




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to dan hill, 05-08-2007 04:02:05  
Really? I thought I remembered advice on this board that when you pull the distributor, look at the way the rotor is pointing, since the rotor fits on the distributor only one way, but the dirstributor can be mounted to the engine two ways.

Hmm. Learned something new.



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Joe (IN)

05-08-2007 07:15:16




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to ED-IL, 05-08-2007 06:54:47  
That only applies to the sidemounts, Ed. I frontmount has an offset drive tang and won't sit down against to the front cover correctly if you get it 180 out.



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ED-IL

05-08-2007 07:38:17




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 Re: so what does a blue spark look like??? in reply to Joe (IN), 05-08-2007 07:15:16  
well, that is one less thing to troubleshoot



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