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9n STILL WON'T START

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SOB

05-12-1999 17:13:06




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I'm still havin problems.... I can only start my 9 by jumping it. As soon as I turn the key off, and try to re-start it...nuthin, not even a couple of clicks!! Checked the battery, it's putting out 6volts, checked the cut out same thing, replaced the starter, so don't go there... Otherwise, it runs nice.... I'm at a loss??
Help????




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I like what llamas said...bg

05-13-1999 06:37:00




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 Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to SOB, 05-12-1999 17:13:06  
Don't know if that's the answer, but I like the way it sounded!
I think anyone would do well to buy an analog VOM, a digital multimeter and a test light. They make it so much easier to isolate electrical problems. Start at known voltage and amperage and work to where you don't have any. You don't have to by a Fluke or other high-dollar instrument. Lowe's and Radio Shack have cheap ones that will do the job.

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Nolan

05-13-1999 04:10:13




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 Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to SOB, 05-12-1999 17:13:06  
Volts are nice, but it's amps that spin the starter. To check a battery requires two steps, one is voltage check, the other is load test. You can use the same jumper cables and jumper the battery right to the starter (or whever you've been jumping to to start it). If it won't work, you can be pretty sure the battery is bad. Taking to a shop or store with a load tester can also tell you. Remember, a 9 volt transistor battery for your portable radio has all the voltage required to start your tractor, but none of the amperage.

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Claus

05-13-1999 14:09:44




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 Re: Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to Nolan, 05-13-1999 04:10:13  
Actually, it takes power, which is the product of I and E. Every troubleshooting technique ever published, uses the voltage check at the starter terminal. I don't care for the arc welding technique using jumper cables. That is dangerous. There is no need for it.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Nolan

05-14-1999 04:05:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to Claus, 05-13-1999 14:09:44  
Well, ok, yes it does take power. Which is why every diagnostic procedure I've ever seen doesn't simply end with checking the voltage, but goes on into ensuring the amperage is capable of getting to the starter (and other components) as well. By all means, hook up a couple of double a batteries to get the proper voltage and see if she'll spin. :-)
I'm sure you get the point.

I'm not following you on your reference to arc welding technique. What are you saying, and why do you consider it to be so dangerous?

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llamas

05-13-1999 03:21:21




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 Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to SOB, 05-12-1999 17:13:06  
Your post seems to indicate (since you talk about "not even a couple of clicks") that your starting system may have been modified to use an automotive-style starter solenoid rather than the original starter-switch style hardware. If that's so, I'd take a long look at the solenoid. When you jump-start it, are you hooking up the jumping battery to the solenoid terminals and then starting it with the key, or are you just bypassing the solenoid entirely?

If you have the original-style starter switch - same question. If you are bypassing the switch to start it, then the switch or the switch actuating linkage is your problem.

If you have eliminated the switch/solenoid/linkage as the cause, then all of the above suggestions are good ones to look for - bad connection, failing battery, poor contacts and so forth.

If you do have a modified system with a starter solenoid, I urge you to remove it and install the original-style hardware. Using a starter solenoid bypasses the interlock against starting in gear.

llater,

llamas

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Claus

05-12-1999 18:01:25




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 Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to SOB, 05-12-1999 17:13:06  
You need to know what your battery voltage is when you are trying to crank the engine. If you have a voltmeter, connect it to the starter side of the solenoid. It should read around 5 volts while cranking. If you don't have a voltmeter and have head lights, turn on your headlights and watch them while trying to start. They should dim a little but not go out. If they go out, you have a bad battery, undercharged battery or a connectivity problem.
Happy Motoring
Claus

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ZANE

05-12-1999 18:25:11




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 Re: Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to Claus, 05-12-1999 18:01:25  
Remove the battery cables and scrape the cable ends and the posts of the battery to be sure of a good connection.Put the jumper cables on the battery and connect directly to the starter to determine if the battery is dead.Connect one cable to the ground of the tractor and the other to the starter post.
CAUTION!! Be sure that the tractor is ;out of gear. and in neutral.
If the starter will not turn the battery is dead.
If the starter does turn the starter solenoind may be bad.

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Mark Edwards

05-12-1999 17:26:08




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 Re: 9n STILL WON'T START in reply to SOB, 05-12-1999 17:13:06  
sounds like you have a problem with your battery.
it could be a dead cell in it.Try another battery and if that doesn't fix it try a new voltage regulator

hope this helps Mark



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