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Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak

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Art Todd

05-29-2007 12:39:37




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Hi All,

I'm new to this forum and just purchased an 8N while driving from our place in Colorado to our North Dakota condo. I haven't spent any time with the tractor and it is still in Craig, Co. waiting for our return trip to. When looking the 8N over prior to purchasing it we ran it for a few minutes and it ran fine with no noticable smoke and it was vibration free. I did notice, however, that the area around the upper rear portion of the number 4 cylinder and around the air cleaner pipe there was some minor carbon or oil build up so I reached into the area while the engine was running and I could feel an exhaust leak. At the time I didn't give it too much thought as I figured it was probably a warped manifold or blown exhaust gasket or a combination of both. I thought that a new gasket and/or a resurfaced/new manifold would probably take care of it.

After reading some of the previous posts I now understand that there could be some block erosion as well. If this is the case I guess I have a little bigger problem to deal with. It sounds like using J B Weld or another high temperature epoxy has worked well for some for filling block voids.

Has anyone resurfaced an exhaust/intake manifold or is it more cost effective to just replace the manifold? I would be really interested in hearing about successful techniques that have been used for filling block voids (assuming the worst and that this is part of my problem).

I won't have access to the tractor for a month or so, but I'd like to be ready to repair this problem as soon as I (and the tractor) get back to my Colorado home.

I also need to size a trailer to pick it up and I know the weight is around 2400 pounds but I don't know the width of the front and rear wheel spans or the distance between the front and rear wheels.

I have ordered the manuals but don't have them yet. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

AT in Co.

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reddogge

05-29-2007 18:32:03




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 12:39:37  
I had the same thing but when I pulled it the gasket was eaten away and I replaced the gasket. Could have been a loose manifold bolt as the end one came off too easy. Nothing was pitted or warped. So far so good. Maybe you'll get lucky.



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mad farmer

05-29-2007 14:47:26




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 12:39:37  
Manifolds are fairly cheap, $50-60. I imagine a machine shop would charge half of that to resurface an old one.



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Dunk

05-29-2007 14:30:49




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 12:39:37  
I had a machine shop surface my manifold 20 years ago, give or take, with the same problem.

I will probably need a replacement in a couple years though.

The machine shop guy told me then, I can't do that, I couldn't guarantee it, I told him I wasn't asking for a guarantee, I was asking him to do a job for me that I was willing to pay him for, and he did it.



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Bruce (VA)

05-29-2007 13:31:20




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 12:39:37  
JB Weld can take care of some good size pits on that part of the block. I'd get some, along w/ a new gasket & four 7/16-20x5/8 brass nuts (27 lbs torque) for the manifold. If the manifold is bad, it is usually cheaper to replace it. As a new N owner, you might find these tips helpful:

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Art Todd

05-29-2007 14:06:06




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Bruce (VA), 05-29-2007 13:31:20  
Bruce,

Thanks so much for the quick reply. I really appreciate the quick response and input. I'm sure glad that there are people out there willing to share helpful information to thode of us neophytes.

Art



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Danny in CO

05-29-2007 13:29:41




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 12:39:37  
Welcome Art!

I, too, am in Colorado, Larkspur. It is between Denver and Colorado Springs.

Danny



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Art Todd

05-29-2007 14:02:15




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Danny in CO, 05-29-2007 13:29:41  
Hi Danny,

Thanks for the reply. Our Colorado house is in Cortez and I'll be using the 8N for maintaining our gravel driveway which is about 1/4 mile long. It's nice to know there are a few Colorado 8N owners that frequent this board.



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hndymann22

05-29-2007 13:03:40




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 12:39:37  
From what I see the 8N overall length 115 in. and the width is 64.75in. Height is 54.75in. and weight is 2.410lb. Hope this helps.



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Art Todd

05-29-2007 14:08:45




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to hndymann22, 05-29-2007 13:03:40  
Thanks for the dimensions. These will really help in trying to locate a trailerto get this thing home.

Art



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Dell (WA)

05-29-2007 18:47:56




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 14:08:45  
Art..... ..renta U-Haul auto trailer. Its 14-ft and tell U-Haul yer haulin' an old Ford CONVERTIBLE that weighs about 2500lbs. They gitt kinda funny about the word "tractor". Drop about $100 in web-tiedowns and yer home innna coupla-daze.

Further advice can be located in the "archives" at the top of this great N-Board..... .Dell, former Durangoite



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Art Todd

05-29-2007 20:05:06




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Dell (WA), 05-29-2007 18:47:56  
Del,

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who are from or know Southwest Colorado. It is really a great place to live even though we only found it about three years ago. Thanks for the advice regarding Uhaul. I called the rental place in Craig a few days ago and mentioned the word tractor and they got cold right away. I will definately mention the word convertable next time and hopefully I'll get a warmer reception. As I see it now it is either rent a Uhaul or try to find a reasonable equipment trailer but I suspect the two terms (reasonable and equipment trailer) are mutually exclusive.

Thanks so much for sharing your expertise--you guys on this board are great!!!

Art

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Dell (WA)

05-29-2007 21:43:07




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Art Todd, 05-29-2007 20:05:06  
Art..... ..yep, good place now, back 50yr ago, no jobs etc. I just attended my Durango HS 50th anniv last fall just before the "rains". I stayed in the old Strater Hotel (reminded me of my grandmothers bedroom) which 50yrs ago I couldn't AFFORD to take my Prom Date to dinner. (4-nites, $175) Woke up the narrow gauge train steam whistle. HS class was 166, and 29 known deceased, 99 attended. Probably 15 sent in regrets and pixs. The reunion was probably the BEST TIME I've had in a long time. I got to dance with some of the "hottest girls" that 50yo ago wouldn't give me the time of day. Scary, most of them are widder-ladies. Surprizingly, most all class members aged well. Swappin' life experiences and stories. Me'n'this HOT gal compared experiences, she climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I wrote my name in the snow on Mauna Loa in Hawaii. Draw??? (grin)..... ..Dell

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Art Todd

05-30-2007 11:58:59




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 Re: Number 4 Cylindar Exhaust Leak in reply to Dell (WA), 05-29-2007 21:43:07  
Hi Del,

Sounds like a great reunion. I went to my 45th a couple of years ago. I think there were 12 or so out of 60. I think we have had an inordinate number that have passed away. I went to a military boarding school in Minnesota and have lost touch with most of my classmates.

I have been to the Strater several times, once for dinner and once to attend the Durango Bluegrass Meltdown which was excellent. Durango is a neat town with a lot of things to do.

Best wishes and thanks again for the tractor advice. I'm sure I'll need more!

Art

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