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OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed

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ratface

05-30-2007 20:23:18




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Just won an aution on ebay for a 1965 GMC , model GM SM 420. This a flatbed truck, singl axle, 155 HP, class 5, gas V6. It's described as having a 4+2 manual trans. I've driven bigger trucks but am stumped by the 4 + 2 trans. Is it a truck with eight gears 4 high and 4 low or is it a truck with 4 forward gears and two reverse gears. From the pictures it has what looks like a cable pull along the single centered gear shift. I've discovered that the SM stands for schnchro mesh and that the 420 was a good transmission because of its slow gearing. I have to drive it 200 miles. If its an eight gear trans how do I just use the high gears?

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Tim...Ok

05-31-2007 08:02:05




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
haha..thats the first time I've heard anybody mention that old 305ci V6 gmc and gas saver in the same sentence.. they were decent engines,but hardly gas savers,olds 6 mpg is close..a 454 with a good 4 barrel will do better on fuel..a friend has one,short wheelbase with pto winch on the back..makes a heck of a winch truck..
have fun with it and we want more pics :)

Tim



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ratface

05-31-2007 07:03:30




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 picture of shifter in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
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take a look on the inside. What is the function of the red button on dash? those arn't airbrakes are they?



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duey

05-31-2007 08:33:07




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 Re: picture of shifter in reply to ratface, 05-31-2007 07:03:30  
The red lever device on the dash is a MICO Brake lock... not AIR brakes, but you step on the brake hard then throw the lever... it holds brake pressure on all four corners... often found on tow trucks or wreckers... very handy.

I also see what looks like an electric trailer brake unit under the steering column... It SHOULD be plumbed to the hydraulic brakes.... so when you step on the pedal, it applies the trailer brakes automatically. OR, you apply them manually by moving the lever to the right...


Clean it up and add paint... don't start it unless you seriously need it... or re-engine it to maybe a 350 V8... It'll keep you entertained.

duey

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Bob

05-31-2007 08:30:59




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 Re: picture of shifter in reply to ratface, 05-31-2007 07:03:30  
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It looks like a manually-operated "linelock" to hold the rear hydraulic brakes engaged for use as a parking brake.

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john hunt

05-31-2007 07:02:46




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
I have drove 1964 gmc dump truck when I was teenager on the farm. but it had v8 small motor 4 speed the switch was on the gear shift you filp it up and you where in high and push down you where low. but had double cluth it so it wouldn't grin a gear then we put a big block in 454 boy from 55 mph to 70 mph that was all she do." HIGHWAY GEAR " we end up call the old truck 6 pac alley because go up hill it took six pac of beer to get to the top ....

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old

05-31-2007 04:54:10




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
Better bring a good bit of gas $$$ with you. That old V-6 loved its gas but not mileage. You will be lucky if you get 6MPG out of it. Also top speed might be around 60 if your lucky and that will be pushing it. Yes you can probably drive it in the high side unloaded, just keep the button in the up possion. I the sun viser if it still has one it should tell you how to shift it.

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Marty 2N IL

05-31-2007 04:30:08




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
You probably will not even use the low range unless you are off road or pulling. That old of a truck the gears will be low even in high range. I would stick to the two lane roads the interstate will run it hard.



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ericlb

05-31-2007 04:29:29




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
what that truck has is a 2 speed rear end, the procedure is first with the truck idling sift the switch, should be on the stick, but many early gm,s had it on the dash, listen for the "click" to see if it does indead shift, this is probably a vacuum shift model and may or may not work after all these years, it also could have been replaced with a electric shift type, [ better] to drive, the procedure is start out in first gear and low axle, when you get some rpm up let up on the gas, shift the switch then rapidly push and release the clutch to allow the mechanism to work then apply power again after you get speed up and need another gear, shift to the next gear, after the stick is in the gear but before you engage the clutch , pust the switch back to low axle, and use this procedure up thru the gears, when climbing a hill, in any gear in high axle, when you start to lose power, shift to low axle then power up again, it will take a few miles to get used to this, bu the tay if your in flat country, you can get by with out using the 2 speed at all, just get it in hi axle and go

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Lance in Brenham, TX

05-30-2007 21:35:24




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-30-2007 20:23:18  
two speed rear axle, right?...



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ratface

05-31-2007 06:58:58




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to Lance in Brenham, TX, 05-30-2007 21:35:24  
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Funny how people advertise. The seller said the V6 was a gas saver. I would like to just use the high ranges till I get time to learn it. Do I need low range to keep her from dieing on initial take off? They are calling for heavy storms and I don't want to be concentrating on shifting in a 42 year old truck I've never been in. The wipers may not even work?

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RounderRick

05-31-2007 07:05:32




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 Re: OT question , 1965 GMC 420 SM flatbed in reply to ratface, 05-31-2007 06:58:58  
Hello Ratface – You probably want to spend some time at "http://www.6066gmcguy.org/".
You’ll find that SM420 is the transmission model. It uses the regular “H” pattern for it’s 4 forward speeds, and then reverse is toward the driver and down. It’s NOT synchronized in 1st gear (but is in all the rest) so don’t try to down shift to 1st until you’ve stopped. Since you’ll be limping home empty, I’d try to use ericlb’s advice to find high range in the rear axle. But regardless of how that works out, just leave the rear alone. Drive it using only the 4 speed, it’ll drive just like a car (except for the 1st gear warning above). Accept whatever top speed and lousy fuel mileage you get, and learn all about split shifts and double clutching on your home turf. Goodluck - RounderRick

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