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Unknown zerk findings...

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Poot

06-09-2007 05:47:57




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Just to satisfy my own curiousity, I pulled the steering wheel, cap, dust seal, top bearings etc. on my '46 2N. The grease that was in there was stacked up on TOP of the bearings, & had the consistency of hardened tar. I cleaned everything up & reassembled it. Pumped grease into the zerk till it came out the bottom of the steering column cap. THEN, I removed everything again, to see if the zerk had lubed the bearings. Wanna guess where the grease was? That's right... it was on TOP of the bearings! Absolutely none of the grease had gone into the bearings! IMO, the zerk is worthless & the upper bearings should be hand packed. Could that be why Ford dropped the idea?

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soundguy

06-09-2007 10:03:52




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 05:47:57  
Were you turning the wheel lock to lock while applyingth grease? I imaging a 0# or thin lith grease.. or even gear oil in a grease gun would have made it in a bit. Not to mention.. wait till it warms up and slumps a bit...

Soundguy



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Poot

06-09-2007 11:26:12




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 Hey, SouNder.... in reply to soundguy, 06-09-2007 10:03:52  
no, I didn't turn the wheel from lock to lock cuz I had to hold the grease gun tip on the zerk. BUT, why couldn't I just fill the entire thing plum full of cornhead grease, from the lower sector housing, all the way up? That would take care of the lower bearing as well. Think that would work?



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Dell (WA)

06-09-2007 11:49:51




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 Re: Hey, SouNder.... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 11:26:12  
Poot..... ..the 2N steering gearbox is splashed lubed from oil-slinger on tranny gears. And that is why you found a separate greeze zerk for upper steering wheel hub on your 2N.

Both the 8N's steering gearboxes are sealed self-lube boxes that NEED the heavy sticky corn-oil to lube the bearings and gears. The 8N's do NOT have the same kind of upper steering wheel hub that yer zerked 2N steering wheel has..... ..Dell

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Poot

06-09-2007 12:00:45




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 Ahh, I see.... in reply to Dell (WA), 06-09-2007 11:49:51  
I was going by the pictures in the FO-4 & the MPC, where it looks like the bottom of the sector housing of the 9N / 2N is closed off. Thanx, Dell

Poot



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soundguy

06-09-2007 12:36:44




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 Re: Ahh, I see.... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 12:00:45  
Yep as dell said the 2n steer box is open. My comment about moving the wheel was to get the bearing moving so that it would take some grease or oil ( though probably not much )

Soundguy



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Poot

06-09-2007 13:23:07




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 SouNdguy.... in reply to soundguy, 06-09-2007 12:36:44  
I understand... thank you.

Poot



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GB in MT.

06-09-2007 07:27:57




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 05:47:57  
Poot;

Thanks a lot.!!! That was very interesting!!???, so I went out and did the same test you did.
When I first took the steering wheel off, there was a small amount of grease that had hardened on the top of the cone area, BUT, a chk. of the bearing showed presance of good quantity of grease around and in the bearing!!???
I just greased that in November, 06, using auto parts, light wieght lithium grease.
Maybe you used too heavy weight of grease. I will say, that when I chk'd. after greasing it the second time, I did find grease sitting on the cone, that had not worked it's way down to the bearing.
I don't know the answer to this, except my bearing is getting grease.
Try a lighter weight tube of grease.

Gary

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Poot

06-09-2007 08:22:09




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to GB in MT., 06-09-2007 07:27:57  
Thanx for the feedback Gary.. I've always used Slick 50 "ONE" grease on everything & it has always worked well for me. I didn't think so, but maybe it IS too heavy for the upper bearing. Question: "auto parts, light weight lithium grease"? Where did you get it?

Poot



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GB in MT.

06-09-2007 12:14:47




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 08:22:09  
I got mine at auto parts plus, but you can buy it at Napa or anyother auto parts place. Ace hardware also has it. just get the lightest lithium they have.

Gary



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gahorN

06-09-2007 07:10:54




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 05:47:57  
What if gear-oil were applied in lieu of grease? (Some early Bendix brakes were wet-running and used oil which was applied thru a zerk. One example that comes to mind are the old-style rear brakes on bicycles.)



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Poot

06-09-2007 07:31:34




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to gahorN, 06-09-2007 07:10:54  
IMO, you would still get the same results. Because of the close tolerances of the bearings, race etc., the heavy oil would come outta the cap, before it would go into the bearings. If I remember correctly, the bicycle bendix was pretty much sealed, & you could build up pressure with the grease gun. Not so, with the 2N steering tube. Does this make sense? Sometimes I don't explain myself very well, so I guess you'd have to look at yours to understand what I'm saying.

Poot

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gahorN

06-09-2007 21:18:15




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 Re: Unknown zerk findings... in reply to Poot, 06-09-2007 07:31:34  
It's my belief that the oil would seep into the bearing and do a world of good. Any excess oil would simply end up down in the steering sectors and tranny. It wouldn't take much more than a tablespoon anyway.



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