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Choke Start Warm No Low Idle

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Pierre

06-09-2007 20:11:42




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I have a 1952 8N I have completely tuned up (points, condenser, wires, plugs, carburetor rebuild, etc.). When engine is cold it never starts right away and after 3 trys it leaks fuel out of the bottom of the carb. through the stone plug. A another 6 cranks or so and she starts.
Then when been running and completely warmed up I always have to give it choke to start. Fires up right away though.
It never idles below 600 rpm (new tach.). Doesn't matter if engine is warm or cold. Just sputters and dies less than 600 rpm. Runs through rest of range just fine.
Anybody got any ideas? I've tried everything I can think of and just want to get her running right.

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Dell (WA)

06-10-2007 00:17:16




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 Re: Choke Start Warm No Low Idle in reply to Pierre, 06-09-2007 20:11:42  
Pierre..... ..at least one thing is working right for you, yer "stone plug" draining yer flooding gasoline. According to Marvel/Schebler that stone-plug is a sinstered bronze filter made of very tiny bronze balls pressed together kinda "welding" them together, so it drains and doesn't suck dust into the carb. Better'n previously used felt. All up-draft carbs gotta have a drain.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you did a LOUSY carb rebuild. How do I know? You can't make yer carb idle below 600rpms. Thems CLOGGED idle jets somewheres. You haffta really reem'em out with FINE COPPER wire like from shipping tag. Do it again.

Yer down-pointing mainjet starts runnin' the carb at about 700rpms. And because yer engine is SOOooo good, it is runnin' on the mainjet at 600rpms. Remember idle is a SLOOOooow 400rpms. And yer side-pointing idlemix is BASSACKWARDS; out for lean; and IN fer ENRICH. Always adjust for maximum idle speed, NOT SMOOTHEST idle; MAX idle rpms.

You shouldn't haffta crank fer-ever to gitt'chur engine to start. And you shouldn't haffta choke a warm engine to start. And all yer crankin' is FLOODIN' yer carb and flooding yer sparkies with invisible no-lead contamination.

After yer next carb rebuild, before you try to start, replace yer FLOOD contaminated sparkies with NEW DRY CLEAN sparkies. AutoLite AL-437's gapped = 0.025".

Iff'n I hadda guess, I'd guess yer strangler (choke) is in UPSIDE-DOWN and its vacuum relief flapper valve ain't flappin' open when yer crankin' causing it to FLOOD.

And while you may have replaced everything just as it came out of the carb, they may have been incorrectly installed by previous rebuilder.

Remember, all carb rebuild drawings LIE.

Lash is correct, biggest cause of flooding is un-tight floatvalve seat. They leak BEHIND the valve. Ya really haffta HONK down on the valve seat with HOLLOW-GROUND WIDEBLADE screwdriver. Then "polish" the little black rubber tip roundy'round in valveseat so it has a ring around it..... .Dell

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K.LaRue-VA

06-09-2007 20:57:16




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 Re: Choke Start Warm No Low Idle in reply to Pierre, 06-09-2007 20:11:42  
What kind of wires and plugs did you use? The most often recommended are Autolite 437 and solid copper core wires. Resistor core automotive wires won't work right.

Also, in your tuneup there was no mention of the air filter. You might have a big mess up in the can if it has been a while since you pulled the wire screen out of there and cleaned it.

Perhaps the number 1 carb rebuild problem is not getting the seat for the new float valve screwed all the way in. Most people dont have a screwdriver big enough to span both slots.

Just a few off the top of my list. Good luck!
kl

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