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Won't start after 12v conversion - We won !

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glennbrown

06-13-2007 17:07:12




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Started a new thread because the other was getting a little hard to follow.
The winner is...ah, you guys vote. Thanks to Danny in CO for simple but brillant info, thanks to Phil, you tried to go over my head and soundguy, (even though I can't stand engineers).
Came home and checked voltage at the coil with points open, 12.6 With points closed 4.7...not good. NO, repeat, NO resistors wired in now and tractor cranks, starts and runs like a dream. For all of those who maybe thinking that I'm simply masking another problem running full voltage to the coil, to those who think I will be burning up coils or points...I put an ampmeter in line and the ignition system is only pulling 7/10ths of an amp. (0.7a) Thanks again !!!

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Danny in CO

06-14-2007 08:21:07




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 Re: Won't start after 12v conversion - We won ! in reply to glennbrown, 06-13-2007 17:07:12  
Glenn,

With no resistors in line, what is the voltage at the top of the coil with the points closed? If it is much above 11 volts, you will burn the 12 volt coil out eventually. Your alternator will put out about 14.7 volts which will let the smoke out of the coil at the worst possible time. You can run it this way, but keep a spare handy!

Good luck,
Danny



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glennbrown

06-14-2007 08:36:29




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 Re: Won't start after 12v conversion - We won ! in reply to Danny in CO, 06-14-2007 08:21:07  
I'll check when I get home again, it was somewhere around 11 volts and dropping the longer I left the key on. I'm beginning to wonder if the use of both resistors is when you use the original 6 volt coil and not a 12... The low amperage this thing is pulling makes me believe we're ok.



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Danny in CO

06-14-2007 09:33:16




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 Re: Won't start after 12v conversion - We won ! in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 08:36:29  
Glenn,

If you use a 6 volt front coil, you need BOTH the original ballast resistor and another resistor to get the voltage to about 3.5 volts with the points closed.

If you use a 12 volt coil, you should be able to use only the original ballast resistor. Again, check the voltage at the coil. About 10 volts.

Danny



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Phil (NJ,AZ,SASK)

06-13-2007 22:52:37




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 Re: Won't start after 12v conversion - We won ! in reply to glennbrown, 06-13-2007 17:07:12  
[quote]...I put an ampmeter in line and the ignition system is only pulling 7/10ths of an amp. (0.7a)[/quote]

That is a "running" number, if you think DC is confusing, your ignition actually operates per AC laws & induction factors. The "Static" DC measurements provide "some" indication of how the system should perform when running.

What we want to Know is the "MAX" Current when Static. Measure the Voltage again! ALWAYS with the points closed, and put your ammeter in the LINE.
It would Help to Measure that Coil's resistance.

ALL the front mount coils need "Some" resistance. You may have a BAD ignition switch or wire connection that is "Masking" an over current condition, but those things only get worse until you have to replace them. Better you do it now or you will pay later.

Get it Right,

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Hobo,NC

06-13-2007 18:15:10




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 Re: Won't start after 12v conversion - We won ! in reply to glennbrown, 06-13-2007 17:07:12  
Still don't Siffre but if it runs n you are happy good deal.

Nuttin high tech about this reply from Phil even tho it wuz not directed to you its all the info needed to git a 12V front mt coil werk'in and live a long healthy life.



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don b

06-14-2007 07:27:00




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 Re: Won't start after 12v conversion - We won ! in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-13-2007 18:15:10  
Phil.....would you please explain this statement.
The OEM ballast will be in/near thermo overload with @ 3.6 amps! It will protect the coil but burn itself out. What I am asking is where or how did you come up with the overload factor.Not doubting you,just would like to know the info. don b



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A. Bohemian

06-13-2007 19:35:34




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 Get to Know Your Ammeter! in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-13-2007 18:15:10  
Quote: "I put an ampmeter in line and the ignition system is only pulling 7/10ths of an amp. (0.7a)"

You don't need to put an ammeter in line. Your dashboard ammeter will tell you almost anything you could need to know about a Kettering ignition system.

All without touching a wrench and delivered automatically every time you throw the switch!

That's right, you can't afford NOT to have a dashboard ammeter!

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9NJoe

06-14-2007 10:11:12




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 Re: Get to Know Your Ammeter! in reply to A. Bohemian, 06-13-2007 19:35:34  
Was wondering when someone was going to point that out!



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