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Alan R

06-14-2007 06:07:49




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52 8N was running (although only with partial choke)then fuel began pouring out of carb (stuck float/needle valve?). Engine stalled and when I tried to restart it, engine turned a bit then all I got was a click from the solenoid. Thought the solenoid was bad so replaced it. No change, so tried turning engine with hand crank and found it extremely tight (stuck starter?). Pulled the starter loose and the engine would turn free again. Of course I slipped the back plate of the starter off the armature in the process and then had the pleasure of attempting to get all 4 brushes back in place. Starter seemed okay (after half an hour getting brushes back in place), so I put it back in and tried starting the tractor again. Engine turned a little and starter hung again. Any idea if there is hope for this starter or possibly replacing the starter drive would take care of the problem? Any tips on removing the starter and or replacing the drive? In the meantime, I rebuilt the carb and can"t wait to try it out. Any and all help appreciated.

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Alan R

06-14-2007 10:05:27




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
Wow. Just got a chance to check for replies. Didn't mean to start anything (other than my tractor). Thanks for the advice. I have been through the cables and connections and everything "seems" good. The engine has never spun over "fast" (6V system) and I have no frame of reference to know if it's always been slow or just normal. I do have good spark. I do know that there are worn teeth on the ring gear, but I thought that would just allow the starter drive to "skip" or if the wear is bad enough (flat spot) allow the starter to spin without engaging the ring gear at all. What would cause the starter to engage and bind? Anything I should check on this starter to help determine if it can be saved? The brushes seemed to all be about 1/2 inch long and the commutator (or whatever you call the end of the armature that the brushes ride on) appears smooth and clean (not gouged or worn unevenly). The gear on the end of the drive looks good. What's the easiest way to completely remove the starter? I never got it all the way off. I know I need to get the full manual, but in the meantime, a little helpful advice would be appreciated. Thanks again.

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Poot

06-14-2007 13:01:29




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 Sounds like a dirty ground... in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 10:05:27  
I know you said you cleaned all the connections, but did you really? Did ya clean the mating surfaces between the starter & tranny housing? How bout the copper buss bar on yer starter? I hadda helluva time with MY starter, till I cleaned those two places. Now she turns over much faster.



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Alan R

06-14-2007 13:17:22




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 Re: Sounds like a dirty ground... in reply to Poot, 06-14-2007 13:01:29  
Well anything is possible. I used a wire brush on the buss bar to get it nice and shiny, same with the battery cable ends. The solenoid is new, so that should be good. I didn"t sand around the starter mounting, but while I"m dealing with this, I"ll certainly give that a try.



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RP-40-9n

06-14-2007 09:09:10




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
i would check all wires and connections first, clicking starter-weak fireing-gas buildup-running with choke, all signs of weak electrical system. will probably need to clean or replace the plugs due to flooding. RP



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Bobs

06-14-2007 06:36:53




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
Sounds like a starter issue to me. PS I still have nightmares about getting my brushes back in.



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souNdguy

06-14-2007 06:33:48




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
See my reply to glenbrown below


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Maybe..John,PA

06-14-2007 06:30:19




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
Sometimes when the "RING GEAR" on the flyweel will be wearing to the point that the starter gear will "RIDE-UP" on the ring gear. When this happens it will do as you describe.

I would check the quality of the ring gear when you have the starter removed the next time.

Take a flash light and mirror and check the ring gear teeth, thru the hole that the sarter was in.



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glennbrown

06-14-2007 06:23:47




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
ENGINE IS HYDROLOCKED FROM THE GAS FLOOD...PULL THE PLUGS AND THEN CRANK THE ENGINE OVER....DISABLE THE COIL SO THERE IS NO SPARK !



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souNdguy

06-14-2007 06:33:02




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 06:23:47  
That is highly unlikely since he said that after pulling the starter that the engine rotated freely.. it surely wouldn't do this if it was hydro locked.

More likely the starter needs attention as it may be week, or dragging, or need brushes or mica cutting.. Or his cables are bad.. or battery is weak.. or connections are bad.. or a combination of any of those..

Soundguy



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glennbrown

06-14-2007 06:37:16




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2007 06:33:02  
HIGHLY UNLIKELY THIS, SOUNDGUY... THE PROBLEM STARTED WITH THE FLOODING...WHICH WAY DID HE TURN THE ENGINE WITH THE STARTER OFF ?
IF TURNED IT BACKWARDS IT WILL MOVE...CRANKED A LITTLE AFTER REINSTALLING THE STARTER...NOW GOING THE CORRECT DIRECTION AGAIN...
IT'S HYDROLOCKED...



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souNdguy

06-14-2007 07:03:41




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 06:37:16  
One more thing.. he CLEARLY stated he turned his engine over with the HAND CRANK.. have you seen the hand crank nut and the sloped dogs on it.. What direction do you think that hand cranks is made to turn the engine? Hmm.. the CORRECT direction maybee? I think you'd have to be a gorilla to turn the engine BACKWARDS using the hand crank.. making those ears ont he crank engage those sloping back sides of the cranknut dogs and still get it to turn vs overiding and slipping out. like it is suposed to do once cranked.. IE.. throw the crank handle out.. etc.. How about reading the full message before posting next time..

Soundguy

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glennbrown

06-14-2007 07:05:33




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2007 07:03:41  
SEE PREVIOUS POST...



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glennbrown

06-14-2007 07:05:27




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2007 07:03:41  
SEE PREVIOUS POST...



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souNdguy

06-14-2007 07:17:51




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 07:05:27  
Ah-ha.. I thought so...

Soundguy



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souNdguy

06-14-2007 06:54:55




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 06:37:16  
he said the engine turned freely... It won't make a full revoloution if it is hydro locked..

Flooding for a few seconds is not going to fill his manifold with gas and hydrolock the cyl's..


Why shout and take an smart-alec posture like you do? it doesn't help the situation any... Trolls do that.. we don't need any trolls here..

respectfully,

Soundguy



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glennbrown

06-14-2007 07:01:12




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2007 06:54:55  
I have been through and read a lot of your replies...I was trying to help...you come off as a know it all...this should just be your forum, no one else's opinion could possibly be right.



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souNdguy

06-14-2007 07:09:35




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 07:01:12  
Ok.. so what's your theory on how he rolled the engine over backwards with the hand crank?? have you seen the geomeytry of the crank nut, and why it looks like that / what it's purpose for that shape is, and how it interacts with the hand crank handle ears?

Soundguy



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glennbrown

06-14-2007 06:40:55




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 06:37:16  
IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO PULL 4 SPARK PLUGS AND RULE HYDROLOCK OUT...



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Ramrod

06-14-2007 07:31:28




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 06:40:55  
Glenn, free advice, and worth the price...

Just post your suggestion and let the guy that asked the question sort it all out. Your day will be better for it.



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Ramrod

06-14-2007 06:22:57




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 Re: Starter Troubles in reply to Alan R, 06-14-2007 06:07:49  
I would get that starter to the Starter & Alternator shop and let him have his way with it.



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