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8N Ballast Resistor Specs

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Ramrod

06-14-2007 08:22:23




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What were the specs on the original 18-12250 ballast resistor, and how does it compare to today's replacement parts from CNH and Tisco? I want to know the resistance and wattage so I can figure max current flow through the ignition circuit.




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glennbrown

06-15-2007 06:05:49




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  
Looks like I'm going to go to the auto store...but with my auto background, I think I'm going to get creative. I had purchased a new ignition switch and put it on. I think I'll wire it straight 12 when starting and let it switch over through the ballast after it starts.

Hell, I was thinking about fog lights too...running them through a relay...

chrome wheels...hmmmm

You guys are going to run me out of here aren't you?

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glennbrown

06-14-2007 18:46:19




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  
Did some more checking tonight on mine. The original ballast I believe must be toast as it measures 4750 ohms. The new white ceramic resistor measured 5.5 ohms, sorry no markings to tell wattage. My old 6 volt primary coil winding measured 1.1 ohms, secondary close to 7000. My new 12 v coil measured 3.3 ohms and close to 9000 secondary. Tried to get a volt reading at the coil with the points closed, kept bumping the starter trying to get it there when it started...I consider that a good thing.

On one post that I seen, I could have swore that Sounder had said that you didn't need a resistor with a true 12 volt coil ?

Maybe I'm confused, I am getting old and tired.



My computer at work is pretty much locked on CAPS because of the system we use...wasn't yelling on purpose today.

Glenn

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Phil (NJ,AZ,Sask)

06-15-2007 05:02:52




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to glennbrown, 06-14-2007 18:46:19  
[quote]The new white ceramic resistor measured 5.5 ohms, sorry no markings to tell wattage. [/quote]

That resistor won't work, as you found out. The
OEM Ballast is available at NAPA or other ~$7.00 Stand alone(W/O Block) and will work fine by itself as long as that coil is really 3.3 ohms.

Just for reference: W/O Ballast (E X E)/R (14.5 x 14.5)/3.3 = 63 Watts. We know the Front Mount coil fails for sure @ 50 watts. With the OEM Ballast "coil" wattage drops (9.6 X 9.6)/3.3
= 28 Watts. Top of coil voltage (12.5 volts) 8.0 - 9.0 volts

BTW: Resistors are marked (resistance) on "one" of the Electrical connectors. One number on each side of the HOLE. (metal punch)

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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

06-14-2007 15:46:48




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 Ballast Response Curve in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  
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This is old and dog-eared, done by someone on this Board (Ill) in 1997. It checks out as accurate. The response is "not" thermally delayed, as some have suggested.



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Ramrod

06-14-2007 14:30:42




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  

Anonymous said: (quoted from post at 15:54:41 06/14/07) Ramrod,
You numbers, if correct should work backwards for the device you are evaluating. 6 volts divided by 1.7a = 3.5 Ohms Device. The Ballast has a max of 1.5 Ohms or 1/2 the device you calculated



The VD across the Ballast is ~4.5V @ 3 amps or (IXI)XR (9)x 1.5 = 13.5 watts Worst Case.

The Max wattage of most Ballast's is near 20 watts. The Wattage of Resistive devices will depend on Surface area and its thermal treatment. The Metal shield helps the OEM Ballast dissipate >10 watts of heat, but its "intended" to be limited.



I will try and find the Ballast's response Curve and POST. It will answer your technical questions, but you do need to think like a coil!



Phil,




Thanks for the info. My figures were based on a 10w resistor capacity. Dell says it might be a 25w resistor which changes everything. I just want to know the rating of the OEM resistor.



Ramrod



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Ramrod

06-14-2007 11:32:18




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Wapiti, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  

souNdguy said: (quoted from post at 13:07:07 06/14/07) It's all realative.




I know, been a tech all my life. It's the wattage I am after. If it is 10 watts as above, then the 6 volt system ballast resistor can handle can handle 10/6 amps or 1.7 amps max at 6v, less at charging voltage, and a 12v system 10/12 or .84 amps max, less at charge voltage. Does that sound right to you Sounder? I guess I should add the resistance of the coil to the circuit, but it won't matter much...



Ramrod

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Phil (NJ,AZ,Sask)

06-14-2007 13:54:41




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 11:32:18  
Ramrod, You numbers, if correct should work backwards for the device you are evaluating. 6 volts divided by 1.7a = 3.5 Ohms Device. The Ballast has a max of 1.5 Ohms or 1/2 the device you calculated

The VD across the Ballast is ~4.5V @ 3 amps or (IXI)XR (9)x 1.5 = 13.5 watts Worst Case.
The Max wattage of most Ballast's is near 20 watts. The Wattage of Resistive devices will depend on Surface area and its thermal treatment. The Metal shield helps the OEM Ballast dissipate >10 watts of heat, but its "intended" to be limited.

I will try and find the Ballast's response Curve and POST. It will answer your technical questions, but you do need to think like a coil!

Phil,

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Dell (WA)

06-14-2007 13:16:23




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 11:32:18  
Ramrod..... ...somewheres I seem to remember a wattage spec for the "infamous ballast resistor" at 25-watts.

You know of course, you can ALWAYS OVERSPEC WATTS of resistors. Iff'n you undespec resistor watts, guess watt??? kaboolie..... blown resistor. Good electronic engineering practice is overspec watts by factor of 3-time. (minimum)

Don't forget the real reason for the "infamous ballast resistor" was weaksister 6-volt batterys. They didn't make die-hards back in 1939.

And by making the "infamous ballast resistor" out of temperature sensitive resistive element, Ford automatically OVER-VOLTAGED the ignition coil when COLD and the 6-volt battery was weakest. The ballast resistor would automatically heat-up and increase its resistance to a nominal 0.7ohms in about 2-minutes running time. (ballast resistance varies from about 0.3ohm to 1.4ohm, depending upon its internal temperature)

You do know that the squarecan ignition coil is really a 3-volt and 3-amp ignition coil, don't you? And that the infamous ballast resistor is NECESSARY to drop the 6-volt battery down to about 3-volts.

I've seen all sorts of schemes to by-pass the MANDATORY & NECESSARY infamous ballast resistor for hotter-sparkies and quicker starts. They all have one great "weakness", they will MELT the squarecan insulative tars in about 1-hr and short-out internal windings and you endup with weak sparkies..... ....Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Randy(PA)

06-14-2007 10:04:43




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  
The drawings for 9N-12250 and 8N-12250 say the resistance was to be between .325 to .375 ohms at 68 degrees F (yes, decimal points). They were using the 18-12250 resistor attached to a base unique to tractors. In 1961, probably because of discontinuance of the 18-12250, the A8NN-12250-A was released. It referenced the original 18-12250 as the closest predecessor, but spec was shown as 300-350 ohms (no decimal points) at 68 degrees, with 10 watts max. added. This is the part sold by NH dealers today. The base does not have the one corner trimmed off to work on the 8NAN (the mechanic can fix that cheaper than the supplier, for the very few left that need the trim). (There is probably a print error there in decimal points, this is something we often get when drawing purchased parts.)

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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

06-14-2007 14:15:25




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Randy(PA), 06-14-2007 10:04:43  
Randy, That sounds about right. The marking's indicate that todays start near .5 Ohms but what you measure will depend on the type of ohm meter.

I picked up an ICR-13, subbed to RU4 BW (marked 1.8) today and my Fluke measures 2.2... that is strange, unless its PTC! These auto ignition resistors are not what they claim (BOOK), most likey manufactured in Mexico.

Regards,



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duey

06-14-2007 09:42:45




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to Ramrod, 06-14-2007 08:22:23  
Can't help with your request, but I have wondered if the COILS we use are that exactingly manufactured so that the formuli can be exactly figured...

For my old front mount, if my "warmed up" voltage is approximately 3 volts with the points closed, I figure it's good to go...

Electricity, obeying the rules it always does, can usually be managed via voltage control. Also that's why knowing the charging voltage is more beneficial than knowing the amp flow...

Post back how the old and new compare if you get it figured out...


duey

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souNdguy

06-14-2007 11:07:07




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 Re: 8N Ballast Resistor Specs in reply to duey, 06-14-2007 09:42:45  
It's all realative.

If you know the full series resistance ( or inductance as the case may be ) in a circuit.. and or the voltage, and or the current flow.. you can get the other variables out of E=IR

System votlage is easy to check.. series cuurrent is easy to check.. and total primary ressitance can be extrapolated from there..

Vdrop across the resistor can be measured as well as Vdrop across the coil... Thus you can calculate resistance respective resistances of the parts in question.

Soundguy

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