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Jim in MI

06-15-2007 06:32:57




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Hi Guys,

I recently did a tune up on my 48 front mount 8N, including new elbow strainer, new sediment bowl, new coil, points, condenser, plugs, wires, cap, and rotor. Engine ran fine after work, but not as well as I had hoped, felt weak like it did before. I have 105 - 115 compression on cyl #s 1,3,4 but # 2 is low (45). After a few days of work I parked her for about 3 days. I tried to start her and she ran for about three to five seconds before dying. No start since then. Pulled plugs, they were black with ash, cleaned em up, no start. Pulled distributer, I accidently set points to 0.025 (oops), reset to 0.015. Surely she'll start this time! Nope. I have fuel to carb bowl and I do have fairly good blue spark. Timing? I think I would at least get a backfire if timing was off (rotor backwards), but I am not. I don't know where to go from here, could the voltage regulator be the problem even though I have spark? I've been running on three cylinders for a year now, so that shouldn't be the problem either. So, what little thing did I overlook??? Charging battery up today, maybe It just isn't spinning quick enough after being apart for a week or so. Anyhows, any help you could administer would be most appreciated.

Thanks, Jim

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RP-40-9n

06-15-2007 08:50:51




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 Re: 8N no start condition in reply to Jim in MI, 06-15-2007 06:32:57  
could be head gasket, or stuck rings on the bad cylinder. i would put in a set of new plugs and see if she will fire up, as fuel and fire seems ok. and at a convenient time i would put a couple ounces of mmo or tranny fluid in the bad cylinder and leave it set for 3 or 4 days and see if the rings freeup. RP



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BillM (OH)

06-15-2007 07:20:10




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 Re: 8N no start condition in reply to Jim in MI, 06-15-2007 06:32:57  
Probably have doused plugs with gas - try a new set of Autolite 437's and see what happens. Also, bad cylinder may be as simple as stuck or burnt valve(s) - might not have to tear into lower end to fix.....



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Bruce (VA)

06-15-2007 06:52:25




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 Re: 8N no start condition in reply to Jim in MI, 06-15-2007 06:32:57  
A frountmount just doesn't get out of time & the rotor is next to impossible to get on backwards. By all means, charge the battery. A low battery & a 6v frontmount can easily result in a weak/no spark condition. If that does not work, check for continuity inside the distributor. It is very easy to ground the wire to the condenser when you replace the points. Next, remove the cork gasket under the coil and reinstall the coil. Put a piece of folded paper under the coil bail to hold it tight. Reconnect the wire on the top of the coil. Try it like this and if it cranks and runs you will know the spring pigtail needs to be stretched or the other flat tab on the coil needs adjusting.

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mike-ga

06-15-2007 06:47:09




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 Re: 8N no start condition in reply to Jim in MI, 06-15-2007 06:32:57  
Basic things to always check (which you have); gas to carb, spark at points, then at plugs. If these are in order, it sounds like the starting of the tractor is taking too much juice from your battery to spark the plugs.



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Brian Bell

06-15-2007 06:41:26




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 Re: 8N no start condition in reply to Jim in MI, 06-15-2007 06:32:57  
I would suspect the weak cylinder. I had the same issue on my 8N. I ended up replacing rings, rod bearings, 2 sleeves and 3 pistons before it was all said and done. Your problem may be as simple as a head gasket.



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A. Bohemian

06-15-2007 14:37:09




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 The Beam, Not the Mote! in reply to Brian Bell, 06-15-2007 06:41:26  
It sure sounds like you have a blown head gasket. What does the coolant look like? If it has "oil" (actually combustion products) in it, you have a blown gasket.

Flat-head Fords can be made to run with bad head gaskets, but only at the cost of causing further damage. The longer you go without fixing that gasket, the worse the engine will run.

Nowadays, with these tractors increasing in value all the time, it seems especially pointless to keep running the old tractor with a blown gasket when such a great potential for disaster looms from doing so.

In other words, messing with the points, etc., while a head gasket is bad (or while there is forty-five pounds on one cylinder and a hundred and fifteen on another for WHAT EVER reason) is like fussing at a patient with terminal cancer for eating too much fatty food.

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