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Ramrod

06-18-2007 08:03:45

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I have been following the various threads lately about ballast resistors, and it is clear to me that we have a wide knowledge base here. We have electrical engineers, good auto electricians, and folks that have never checked a fuse and don't care to. Most folks needing help in this forum fall into the last category, and I think we simply overwhelm these poor folks with 'rocket science'. We need a better way to convey the answers to these folks, I suggest pictures, lotsa pictures. I have GT still torn down, and can take some good pics of a stock 6v positive ground installation, and later, I will have the sheet metal off of OW for painting, so I can also document a 12v (3 wire) NAA conversion. I would like to see some very good pics of a 8N 12v conversion in front mount and side mount, and a 8N side mount original 6v positive ground. If y'all think this is a good idea, I can assemble a document, or several documents similar to my NAA Hydraulic Repair doc and post them for easy access on my site. I think it would be a good thing, but I will go with the flow...

Ramrod

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Ramrod

06-19-2007 05:04:41

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Re: NAA hydralic repair doc. in reply to Poot, 06-18-2007 08:03:45

NAA Hydraulic doc -
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James Rader

06-18-2007 19:39:41

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Ramrod, 06-18-2007 08:03:45

I think photo's would be a great help to some. I agree some still won't get it, but for those of us who have not had the privelage of having someone show us how to use a multimeter or for that matter an ammeter and our 6th grade school teachers apparently didn't get it either cause they sure didn't teach anything past hooking two wires to a light bulb and a battery. In high school I took a class called 'farm mechanics' year one was mechanical, year two is when electrical was discussed along with welding but before year two came, the local school board removed farm mechanics because no one really cared about working on that stuff anyway. (the class always had a waiting list to get in) I think far too many communities have removed basic electronics, mechanics, and the like and replace it with art appreciation. My idea of appreciating art is looking over a field of old tractors...

I don't know how old many of you are who had the benefits of being taught these things but at 36 years old I did not. My father did not teach or show, you leaned in as far as you could without getting smacked and watched over his shoulder. I can rebuild an engine, clutch, brakes... I even taught myself to weld, alot of trial and error but finally someone gave me a picture of a good weld and a half dozen bad ones, the bad ones each had a caption stating what was done wrong to cause the bad weld. I now make some right pretty welds, cause someone gave me information in a form I could understand without making me feel like an idiot. Heck in cub scouts I learned more about making things from popscicle sticks and yarn than I ever did about electricity and if you look at a cub scout book today you won't find much opportunity in it either, as a cub master myself it concerns me what the program will look like in another 20 years.

I am in the process of re-wiring my tractor again, I am using the wire diagram that Dell and Phil suggest, once I am done I would be happy to photograph what ever you need on my 9N.

Dell, I respect you and appreciate your input and I enjoy your posts and I am very glad that you are willing to lend your support on this project. I just beg of you not to write some of us off just yet, we might jus suprise ya sum day!

James

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KevinMNs

06-18-2007 18:04:02

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NAA hydralic repair doc. in reply to Ramrod, 06-18-2007 08:03:45

Where would I find this doc. that you mentioned?

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Kenster

06-18-2007 12:42:24

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Ramrod, 06-18-2007 08:03:45

[quote="Dell (WA)"](quoted from post at 08:33:31 06/18/07) Ramrod..... ...given the "simplicity" of the N-Electrical system, I find the "fuse-changers" so electrically challenged that even pictures won't solve what they should have learned in grade-school science class.
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Dell, I have tremendous respect for your knowledge and willingness to share it with someone like me who is obviously a moron because I'm not an electrical engineer. Each one of us have our own skill sets. Most of us weren't born with an ohm meter in our hand and we weren't teethed on a wrench. But we have other talents and experiences. I can do the weight and balance of a 172 and a 737. I can read a raging river in time to do a cross ferry to set up a perfect entry into a class 5 rapid. I can coach a Little League team to a city championship. I can design theatrical lighting for a major musical or a church Christmas pageant. I can explain orographic precipitation and plate tectonics in such a way that a ninth grade hoodlum can fall in love with World Geography. I helped my teen sons restore a 65 Mustang and a 63 Chevy for their first cars.

But I've only been a tractor guy for a year. And I'm reluctant to tackle electrical issues because so far, I just don't understand them and many of the explanations are over my head. I'm not an idiot. I went back to college when I was 40 years old and was an honors graduate. I also had a 4.0 GPA in grad school. All of this was while I was working full time, raising two fine sons, coaching Little League and teaching Sunday school.

But I still can't wrap my mind around some of the electronic explanations on this board. Pictures, would indeed, help me. I'm very visual. Example: Grounding a spark plug on the block to check for blue spark. How do you do that? Do you clamp the plug somewhere on the block? Do you use a C-clamp? Vice-grip?
Or... putting a jumper wire across the ignition switch. Do you just hold a piece of wire on the two terminals? Will you get shocked? What guage wire should you use? Should it be insulated?
What seems so intuitive to many of you is not so to some of us rookies. But we want to learn! And if we all learned all of this in third grade this board would not exist. Please don't make us feel stupid for asking questions. I've never felt like that before I read this post and I honestly believe you didn't mean to make anyone feel that way.

Again, to ALL of you who are so helpful..... Thank you! Maybe with your help in a few years some of us Rookies will sit with you on the Council of the Sages!

Respectfully,

Ken

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souNdguy

06-18-2007 10:56:17

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Ramrod, 06-18-2007 08:03:45

Bruce and i wrote some good articles ( with many wire diagrams ) on how and why to convert to 12v systesm.. covering both frotn and side mount fords.. The articles are on the nnews site.. and may be here soon in the articles section if i heard correctly.

It's broke down pretty basic on 'how to' do it... I'm not sure how much more spoon feeding can be done at that point..

Soundguy

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Ramrod

06-18-2007 09:02:17

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Dell (WA), 06-18-2007 08:03:45

I think I built that same radio. I remember going to sleep at night with the earplug in my ear listening to far away AM signal. My dad helped me with it, what a great memory.

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Bob Harvey

06-18-2007 18:51:18

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Ramrod, 06-18-2007 09:02:17

Does 'Germanium Diode' ring a bell ? I had to have 2 units so I could listen to GANGBUSTERS...my Dad would confiscate one "it's late..go to sleep", soon as the door was closed out came #2..stashed on the spring slat....good memory indeed !

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Joe(NYC)

06-18-2007 19:36:38

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Bob Harvey, 06-18-2007 18:51:18

What about the previous generation, just a loose germanium crystal? In a boy scout book of projects it specified to use a "cats wisker"(without explaining what that was) and placing one end on the crystal until you hear something in the earpiece. I got the crystal allright but, for the life of me was never able to find the "cats wisker" Found out later you could have used a sewing needle for it. When I finally went to astore that sold radio stuff and asked for one he just handed me a germanium diode.

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Dell (WA)

06-18-2007 08:33:31

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Ramrod, 06-18-2007 08:03:45

Ramrod..... ...given the "simplicity" of the N-Electrical system, I find the "fuse-changers" so electrically challenged that even pictures won't solve what they should have learned in grade-school science class.

I loved my 6th-grade science classes. But maybe thats because I build my first radio when I was in Cub Scouts in 3rd-grade. Wrapped this big oat-meal cylinder with fine wire for tuning. Had this "cat's whisker" detector thingy.

Yeah, some good "pictorial" diagrams might help the neubie but thats almost like asking for trouble. Then we gitt these chinese menu guys, you know; TWO from column "A" and ONE from column "B". Gotter be better'n ALL from column "C". (grin)

I know 8-ways to convert to 12-volts and they all work. But they are all variations on the same theme; Electrical Circuits 101. I'll support you..... ...Dell

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Phil_in_WA

06-18-2007 22:23:04

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Re: It ain't rocket science in reply to Dell (WA), 06-18-2007 08:33:31

Heck I AM an electrical engineer, degree and 20+ yrs of design/test and still a newbie when it came to my first tractor last year.

Yep Kirchoff still rules but nothing else was obvious to me. How would I possibly know what the impedence of the coil is to get the right voltage divider? To say nothing of odd DC generators and polarization. Where are the microcontrollers, FPGAs and DSP's? And who would remember to check the leakage path on a 12V alternator and put the silly diode in the enable line.

But thanks to Dell (whose humor I enjoy) and others all is running well.

Just ask questions, someone will answer.

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