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Kenster

07-01-2007 11:48:03




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If it gets dry enough soon, I'm going to be discing up about two acres around the house that I turned over with my old Ferguson two bottom moldboard about a month ago. I have questions about using a disc harrow.

Should I use the draft position to help get it deep enough? The soil is well turned sand and is very soft. I have no doubts about being able to pull it. Just don't know if I can get it deep enough, especially for the first couple of passes. Neighbor said I may need to add some weight to the disc.

After this is done, I'll repeat it a couple of times til its nice, smooth and level and hopefully mostly weed free, then I'm going to be planting bermuda. I sure hope all this rain keeps up for another few weeks and continues after I plant.

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Kenster

07-01-2007 18:12:32




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to Jonas Hastings, 07-01-2007 11:48:03  
Jeff said: Anyway, it makes for tough pulling in sandy conditions(my 8N does not have loaded tires). Great penetration if you have lots of trash to cut thru.


Jeff, after plowing everything over, there's not much left, trash or otherwise. Just a bunch of furrowed sand. We'll see how it goes. May take a little tweaking.



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lonestarjeff

07-01-2007 16:43:48




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 11:48:03  
Kenster...I added a couple of 150# weights to my 6 1/2' disk, which makes it total around 700#(maybe more?).

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Anyway, it makes for tough pulling in sandy conditions(my 8N does not have loaded tires). Great penetration if you have lots of trash to cut thru.

Jeff

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Dunk

07-01-2007 18:18:01




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to lonestarjeff, 07-01-2007 16:43:48  
It sure doesn't appear to be doing much cutting in in the pic, Jeff, I guess you had it lifted, and then just parked it there and let it down, and took the pic?

About like the one I gave away that I bought in the beginning (20 something years ago) that didn't do anything but burn gas, and roll around on the ground.

What's that on the right behind the tree?



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lonestarjeff

07-01-2007 21:39:30




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 18:18:01  
Yes, I pulled up there & dropped it for the pic. That was last summer right in the middle of the drought, ground was like concrete.

I've got some video using the disk back in late winter, but don't have a site to upload it. With the weight on it penetration is great.

The implement behind the tree is a nine-shank tiller. Here's a better pic:

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Not sure who made it, or when, but the design is just about identical to the Dearborns & Fergusons.

Jeff

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Kenster

07-01-2007 13:24:00




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 Define the verb "to quack," please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 11:48:03  
CT, I was wondering the same thing. I've seen the term a few times here lately.
Enlighten us, Arthur. How do you 'quack' a field?

Follow up question on the disc. Arthur, you say to set it to 'aggressive.' I'm sure you mean that the discs need to be set at a high angle in relation to the direction of travel. Like 45 degree angle or so?

I'm not going to have much in the way of clods. This soil is about 100% sand. Pretty powdery when it's dry. I'm doing the plowing to turn over the vegetation that was there. Discing it to get any new or remaining vegetation. And discing at least a couple more times to get it all smooth and level.

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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:55:08




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
ok, its called a quacker around here because it is primarily used to pull the quack grass up after plowing and discing. excellent tool when used correctly.

replacement c tines available from kraftimplement.com



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:36:34




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
sweet corn



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:37:34




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 20:36:34  

sweet corn



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:11:42




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
ok, i guess that one worked, now i'll try this one.



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:13:23




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 20:11:42  
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tryin again



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lonestarjeff

07-01-2007 22:46:02




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 20:13:23  
Nice lookin harrow & tractor Arthur!

Sorry I was so slow. By the time I answered your email you had it figured out.

Jeff



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GB in MT.

07-01-2007 20:44:33




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 20:13:23  
The real name for what you have in the pic. is; "spring toothed Harrow". Lots of those around, but NEVER heard them called Quackers.

Gary



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:49:06




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to GB in MT., 07-01-2007 20:44:33  
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well up here in da Nort...anyway, my 78 year father told me it is a quacker. why? well i guess i'll have to ask him that but that is what they are called around here anyway. they work like the dickens. ever hear of peanut butter and banana sandwiches?

here is a pic of the sweet corn, planted rt to lft then middle. each 1 week apart. in wisconsin, if the corn is knee high by the 4th of July it is a good year. well this corn is up to my hip(old pic) and i am 6'2"

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GB in MT.

07-02-2007 05:43:17




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 20:49:06  
Arther;
Peanut butter & banana sandwiches?? Now, that I've heard of.!!! Don't eat'em myself, but my wife does.
Anyway, as Jeff said, Nice looking rig you've got there, and if you paid $35 for that harrow, you did not buy it, you stole it from the guy!! The harrows they sell, similar to the one you have, now days are going for $215, and that is the cheap ones. You made a good deal!!! Makes for a nice field of plants too.
"Spring tooth harrow", "C" tooth cultivetor, what ever anyone calls them, They work good!!! NOW, we all know! {:-)

Gary

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arthur ward

07-02-2007 07:27:55




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to GB in MT., 07-02-2007 05:43:17  
gb, lonestar:

thanks for the compliments on the rig.
i certainly don't know what i would do without that quacker. i originally put an ad in the paper for a scraper blade. a guy called so we went to look at one. he "mentioned" a quacker in the weeds so i went to look but didn't show much interest. walked away. then went back 5 mins. later and he said he would take $35 for it and it included the top link. i said ok. i gave the top link to my brother cuz i had one already.
sometimes you find deals and sometimes not. kraft implement has the "C" tine replacements. i need two.
i also paid $250 for a dearborn "economy" plow with coulters and scrapers. that plow was hardly ever used. works great. i only need my own disc now and they are very hard to find. the 8n is sprayed silver on the tin which i don't like but since the motor rebuild this spring i am thinking of painting the whole thing now.

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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:09:53




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
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i uploaded two pictures to photobucket. i tried to copy the url link, html tag and img code into the message and that didn't show the photo on a message i left. i also tried these in the optional link url, link title and optional image url below here and none work.
whats up?

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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:01:53




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 Re: Define the verb in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  

and again



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:00:27




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
Try this again:



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 19:59:33




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
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Quacker on my 49 8n.



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 19:57:33




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
This is a "quacker" attached to my 49 8n(what a sweet tractor): [IMG]http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb291/award06/Quacker2.jpg[/IMG]

This is a cow pasture that has never been tilled before. Now I am growing some pumpkins in there for the kids to sell.



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 13:36:14




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 13:24:00  
a quacker is an implement similar to a drag.
the quacker is a 3 pt. item. it has "C" tines spaced out and good ones allow for adjustable spacing. in other words, loosen up the bolt and you can rotate the c tine so that it is closer or further from another c tine.

what a quacker does is it pulls clods of root or whatever else you have in the soil up to the surface so that it can be cut with the disc.
if you ever find one, buy it. i got my dearborn with adjustable c tines for $35. the guy offered it for that and I said ok. some go for $250 or better(when they know what they have).
aggressive is putting the disc's at 45 degress angles. if i could ever figure out how to post a pic on this forum i would show you a quacker.

we had a beef farm years ago. the cow pasture was NEVER EVER used for a garden. cows were gone 22 years ago so it went wild with whatever grew.
i plowed it, disced it and quacked it. all last year. this year i quacked it and disced it again. there are no weeds in there. i decided to plant pumpkins in that loamy soil along with sweet potatoes. the pumpkins are growing like wild fire and would love to post a pic of it, but i don't know how.

so in short, if you find a quacker...buy it. they rip up the ground pretty good.

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lonestarjeff

07-01-2007 16:53:32




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 13:36:14  
Arthur...your description sounds alot like a spring-tooth or tyne harrow:

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Any chance this is what you're talking about?

Jeff

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GB in MT.

07-01-2007 16:09:56




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 13:36:14  
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Here is the pic.

Gary



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GB in MT.

07-01-2007 16:01:57




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 13:36:14  
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Arthur; Is this what you call a "Quacker"??? This is not a quacker, or what ever you call it!!. This is a spike harrow used to drag the fields, and break up the clumps, and remove "Quack Grass" roots, and clump grass from a plowed field. Never heard of a "QUACKER". Been around farms and ranches all my life.
Show me the "Quacker"!!!

Gary

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Dunk

07-01-2007 16:04:41




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to GB in MT., 07-01-2007 16:01:57  
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Dunk

07-01-2007 16:06:45




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 16:04:41  
I don't think that is what he is talking about, Gary.

He says "c tines".

I think he is talking some kind of cultivator.



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GB in MT.

07-01-2007 16:16:03




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 16:06:45  
HI Dunk; I sure would like to know what he has!!! I thought a quacker was what I use to settle my acid stomach, after a bad night. {:-0 LMAO

Gary



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Dunk

07-01-2007 16:19:30




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to GB in MT., 07-01-2007 16:16:03  
As long as it ain't no tally quacker..

LMAO



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Hobo,NC

07-02-2007 03:58:38




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 16:19:30  
hey Home boy who ya call"n quacker, do I look like a Duck.



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arthur ward

07-02-2007 07:29:13




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Hobo,NC, 07-02-2007 03:58:38  
lol, ok, i originally was going to say a quacker was when you put a duck call in the soil and blow. LOL



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Dunk

07-01-2007 16:11:11




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 16:06:45  
I think he is talking along these lines..

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Dunk

07-01-2007 16:18:07




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 16:11:11  
Of course then most of my plowing is done with a similar tool I call an All Purpose Plow.

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GB in MT.

07-01-2007 16:27:50




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to Dunk, 07-01-2007 16:18:07  
Ya know, your plow was the first thing I thought of, but he refered to, "like a drag". The only thing I could think of that looks like a drag, was the spike harrow.
Oh well!!! We probably will not ever know. Just like the jeep with the 9N engine!!!!!

Gary



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Rusty 2N

07-02-2007 07:44:23




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to GB in MT., 07-01-2007 16:27:50  
My partner in town gots a Jeep PU that has the same flat head as my 2N. Only diff. is his has a fuel pump on his. Ford made alot of engines for jeep during the war years.



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Dunk

07-01-2007 18:05:04




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to GB in MT., 07-01-2007 16:27:50  
I hear ya!!

I still want toknow about that too!!



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Dunk

07-01-2007 14:16:06




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 Re: Define the verb to quack, please. in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 13:36:14  
Go to

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and create you an account.

Then upload the pics there, then copy and paste what is in the "HTML Tag" there into the message on the old board here, I think you can use the one in the "IMG Code" box for the new Modern Forums.

I hope that helps, I would love to see the pics.



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 12:08:46




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 11:48:03  
remember that around 800 pounds on the backend will start to make the front wheels bounce a little bit. if you want to use weight it is ok.

you may have to disc the heck out of it and then quack it to pull up the sod chunks(works much better for a weed free garden). after discing and quacking, i would then disc at least 3 more times. maybe even quack some more.
set the disc to aggressive.



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CT8N

07-01-2007 13:12:03




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to arthur ward, 07-01-2007 12:08:46  
What is "quacking"? Been around a farm for 70 years and never heard of it. Where does it fit on an N?



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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-01-2007 15:52:08




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to CT8N, 07-01-2007 13:12:03  
"Quacker" must be a regional term, I too am almost 62yrs. old and the only "quacker" I ever heard of was a web footed duck. Sounds like he is talking about a cultivator, a tillage tool, or a spike toothed harrow. Huh, a "quacker".



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arthur ward

07-01-2007 20:57:11




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 07-01-2007 15:52:08  
ross, my father was born and raised in Nakina, NC.
just a lil waze from whiteville, nc.

just a lil ways from the s.c. state line.

so yes, i am related to ALOT of Ward's down there yander.



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Phil9N3667

07-01-2007 12:05:31




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 Re: 8n Discing in reply to Kenster, 07-01-2007 11:48:03  
If it gets dry enough soon!! Here in Southeastern Va. , we"ve all but done raindances and called in specialists for rain. I went to work Thursday A.M. in Suffolk and all the low areas were full of water and 20 miles west at home we can"t buy a drop of water.My wife said a guy at the bank the other day said "it was so hot on the Blackwater River that the catfish were selling lemonade". Ain"t that a hoot. Enjoy the water while ya can. Just glad we"re not those poor saps out in Ca. with the forest fires.

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