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artroland

07-16-2007 18:53:40




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OK. So here's the skinny. I am looking at buying a Ford 8N from a fella locally for use on my little chunk of land. It will be used for cleaning up messes from horses in lean-toos, pushing a big section of metal pipe into a creek to build a culvert, and cleaning up some debris left by the previous folks on this land. Also on tap are some mowing and maybe some snow scraping in the winter.

The tractor comes with a bush hog, and a rear scraper, and optionally comes with a front load trip-bucket. My question is this. The fella who is selling it, says likely that the trip bucket would be more of a hassle than it's worth to me (remember, I am a tractor newbie, not an afficianado like all you fine folks), and I believe that if someone has the opportunity to sell you something, but doesn't it's likely for your own good. I've also asked around about this guy and their operation, and they've received very favorable comments, so I trust his opinion. But at the same time, I alsways believe in being thorough, so here I am.

My question is this, though, as I could really use a tractor with a front loader, but would that trip bucket be able to handle light scoop work, an example of which would be shoving that big metal pipe (about 500 lbs -- I could hitch up my draft and drag it, but he's not broke to harness quite well yet) into the creek and then a little backfilling. I know the scrape blade would likely handle the snow chores and more in the winter, and the tractor would be stored in the garage with the hopes that after a blizzard it would be warm enough to start. LOL.
You guys know best. Should I scrap the idea of the trip bucket, or no?
The other part is, I frankly have little clue as to how a trip-bucket works. What little experience I have is with newer tractors ('02 4400 JD, '63 4020 JD) with hydraulics. So I would be grateful if someone could either point me to, or explain the principals of this wonderful piece of engineering.

The biggest reaon I am looking at buying an 8N is that it is not only in my price range, but is also a Ford (die-hard blue oval guy, sorry), and is also low to the ground and would be a bit safer mowing the rolling hills of my pastures. It's also got great looks, and I would like to restore it to as good a condition as possible, while still using it. And interestingly enough, the guy up the road from me has one a lot like this one. But it's more of a yard ornament. Faded, but still ornamental.

Thoughts appreciated. And thanks for having such a great resource here on the web! This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.

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artroland

07-23-2007 11:36:44




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to artroland, 07-16-2007 18:53:40  
OK. Spent the weekend mowing with this fella, and after I got the carbs sorted out a bit (running WAAAY rich!), the thing ran really nicely. downhill was sorta fun, as the motor held it's own, and it was definitely different than any other tractors I learned on.
The mower and I came to an understanding, and we got about 8 acres done this weekend, extremely tall weeds, which included carrotweed thickened up with rye grass, big blue stem and what not, so the tangles were a concern. The N just powered through them. Overall, the steeper sections of my pasture were something I decided against mowing just yet. Sure, I could have just backed the mower up the hill, it was only about 50 or so feet, but the brakes on this critter need some attention, and better to leave the weeds up there, than to discover I don't have enough leg to stop this critter because of oily brakes.

I did dump the culvert into the creek with the blade (a Ford Industrial model, as it used to be yellow) without following it in with the 8N, so that part is done. I'm getting a load of dirt in to fill it (and even out a few spots elsewhere), so those are the next on the chore list.
When I finished up Sunday evening, I unhitched the blade, and drove the tractor out to the front yard under the trees. My wife asked me why I parked it there. I told her a 60-year-old tractor deserved to sit in the shade after a hard days work.

She gave me the same look she does when I over-indulge my horses' needs for massage. Brakes and seals are ordered, as are the service manual, and it appears my good friend and next-door neighbor (a particularly good mechanic) is going to assist me in righting the wrongs done to the brakes soon.
Heheheheeee! Can't wait! I love this thing! This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.

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artroland

07-18-2007 20:18:57




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to artroland, 07-16-2007 18:53:40  
OK. I went out and looked at it today, and after talking to the guy, his concern was more or less because of the added weight and the steering capabilities of the 8N being drastically effected by it, and the amount of hills on my property. I told him I needed to be able to do a little bit of digging, and he came up with an alternate solution. A rear scoop bucket.

The tractor runs well enough, but I think some carb cleanup, and perhaps a little tuning would do it a world of good. The tranny feels solid, and the PTO has zero noticable drift. The wheels are solid, but like most 8Ns, looks like they could use new seals in the back and probably new shoes due to that. Although the tractor stops well enough, with my hills, you sorta want that part of your tractor to work really well.
It steps right out well enough, and accelerates smoothly in every gear. I did notice a little sputter and spit, and plan to go through the carbs

The tires are well enough, and it has 16" wheels up front. The oil was good, clean and the coolant was the same way. The gear oil looked good, and the fuel sediment jar looked fine with no rusty flakes.
Coming with it are a 5' Bush Hog, a 6' reversible scraper, and the scoop bucket. I like the fact that the blade is reversible on the scraper, as I can back the tractor up and simply shove that culvert where it needs to go.

I picked up the whole mess for under three grand, and it's all in serviceable condition. Don't know if that's a good deal or not, but lie to me anyway and tell me I got it for a steal. I'll likely start cleaning this, that and another thing up as I go along. Sort of a restoration as you go along.

I look forward to leaning on the knowledge of this board, too. Glad I found this resource. I'll have to post pictures of this monster when it arrives on Saturday. This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.

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Tom from Bancroft

07-18-2007 17:30:05




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to artroland, 07-16-2007 18:53:40  
Wow a whole 2 votes to none, and I was the second!LOL Hey I got a freeman trip bucket on mine and it is damn handy. Bought it that way 10 years ago and still on today. I don't overload it and I don't make sharp, quick turns when it's got a scoop in it, the 19 inch rims might look like taco shells if I did. I would take the whole package if everythings there, the fact he's pushing you away from it tells me somethings wrong or missing. This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.

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Dell (WA)

07-16-2007 19:30:40




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to artroland, 07-16-2007 18:53:40  
Art..... ....heres the deal as I see it. FEL's (front end loaders) are right handy; beats a wheelbarrow, right? But they change the rather nimble 8N into a near unmanageable cluttz. Besides being hard on the N's front axle, they're like jungle-gyms at grade school. But since the FEL is already attached, buy it that way. And iff'n you don't like it, un-bolt it for later use, or sell it with all the brackets.

Me? when I need FEL work, I go rent one, it has all the modern hydraulic bells and whistles; simple, eh?

Putt'chur drainpipe on a stoneboat and let yer horsey earn his oats. I make a stoneboat outta old flat 80's carhood and a chain bridle and he'll break quite nicely. Try it..... ..Dell

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artroland

07-18-2007 08:36:42




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to Dell (WA), 07-16-2007 19:30:40  
Hey all. Thanks so much for the advice. I'm going to go get an up-close look at it in a few hours. I'll post the responses here, and I'll get a good look at the front end wear.

Thanks again! This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.



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soundguy

07-16-2007 19:24:13




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to artroland, 07-16-2007 18:53:40  
Think of a trip bucket style loader as a powered wheel barrow.

IE.. they arn't as usefull as a full hyd loader.. but they beat the pants off you and a shovel if you get my drift.

If it were me.. I'd find out what he wants for it 'with' the loader... you always have the option of removing it...

Check the front axle pin.. HD loader use can waer the pin out. However.. if it has been maintained, or was just lght use.. you may be ok.

Check steering play and other steering components.. like spindle bushings.. and bearings.. etc..

Soundguy

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James Rader

07-16-2007 19:23:04




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 Re: Newbie with question on in reply to artroland, 07-16-2007 18:53:40  
I don't have a loader on my 9N but the tractor I cut my teeth on was a JD A narrow front end with a trip bucket on it. It takes a little longer with the trip bucket as you have to put the bucket down on the ground and back up to reset it before going for another scoop. Not a big deal but if you are used to full hydralic buckets it will be like using DSL all day at work then going home to dial up.
Loaders in general put alot of wear on a tractor and the N's show it on their front end. If you have a loader be mindful to watch those front end components for wear and you should be fine.

James This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.

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