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Removing / Installing Sleeves

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Lurch

08-02-2007 15:22:34




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Just my experience;

Well, most of my parts have arrived for my 8N engine. The head had to be shaved .012.


Anyway, time to remove the old sleeves. I read numerous posts about it, with many methods, all of which made sense.

To remove, i just got a screwdriver and peeled a strip down the length of each, squeezed the edges together and it came right out.


To install;
Considered the dry ice method, but I live in Central Pa. and the nearest possible source of dry ice is about 1 hour away. So i considered a combination.

Stuck the sleeves in the freezer, thinking, nowhere near as good as -109 Deg dry ice but, should shrink a little. Inserted it in cylinder and banged it in with a hammer and block of wood.

The sleeve did go in, but i caused a chip to break off at the top about 1/4" sq and cracked a small rectangle in the top. Maybe the cold metal was too brittle. So that's one wasted sleeve.

I never did this before, so I probably just don't have the "knack".

So, my choices are

#1: to keep practing with the 3 remaining brand new sleeves using a steel plate to bang on or,

#2: rent a lift somewhere, separate the engine and take it to the nearest ford dealer or,

#3: Go get the dry ice and do that routine and if they don't slip in by hand go back to # 1 or #2

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Don Tex

08-02-2007 21:00:10




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
Lurch I just over haulled my 8N and used two round 3/8 inch thick steel plates with 5/8 holes drilled in the center for for all thread.I used two 5/8 nuts and washers to pulled the sleeves in the block and didn,t have any problem.I did put the sleeves in freezer and installed them one at a time. I found the round sleel plates at scrap metal yard. The complete set up cost me 5.75.I saw that Joe also used this same set up and also had sucess.Good luck to you.

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ZANE

08-02-2007 18:45:58




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
Fabricate a sleeve driver from an old car axle. Cut it off about a foot from the hub. Remove the lugs and use that to drive the sleeves down.

You are lucky you didn't ruin the block by trying to peel the sleeves out. That happens a lot! The only sleeve that was ever intended to be removed by peeling them was the original steel. .040 sleeve. Not the cast iron at all.

Zane



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Lurch

08-02-2007 18:17:13




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
Well looks like many good options. I will see what the Ford dealer has to say about a sleeve puller/pusher, because I need new sleeve. The others are still in the freezer wrapped in paper. I'll be checking around for glycerin and some 1/2" steel plates



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Joe (IN)

08-02-2007 21:37:31




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 18:17:13  
I just saw glycerin on the shelf in the skin care section at Meijer an hour ago.



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reallyold

08-07-2007 09:12:16




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 RE:oil shelf life in reply to Joe (IN), 08-02-2007 21:37:31  
Hey, if I remember correctly, it is all several million years old, as in decaying dinosaurs, etc.



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wayne2

08-02-2007 18:11:33




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
Look real close if you think you;ll bllow the head gasket-replace-it's just a learning process-I've done a lot wierder things-watch temp guage-have fun, wife is out there right know bouncing around with log chain dragging-I have some peace-to each his own!!!!! Wayne



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Jack-Illinois

08-02-2007 16:56:29




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
Back when these tractors were near new a good dealer would loan a customer the tools to work with on the weekend. Use to see dad come home with sleeve puller and valve tools along with the new parts. No charge - just have them back early Monday morning. Now just maybe you could find an old mechanic that would be generous. Any way the old sleeve puller/pusher was a threaded rod type that had a bunch of different sized plates that looked like about 5/16 thick washers. Find the right size to fit inside the sleeve to center the rod and another a little larger to catch the end of the sleeve. You just hooked the "C" shaped end over the throw of the crankshaft and turned the threaded rod part to push them out or pull them in. Lots of turning, but they worked fine.

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Joe (IN)

08-02-2007 16:33:04




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
Rather than beating them in, have you considered a couple steel plates, a 1/2" piece of allthread, and nuts n' washers to pull them in? After ruining countless bushings over the years with the BFH method, I went to this and haven't ruined a bushing since. No reason it wouldn't work here, too.



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Dunk

08-02-2007 16:12:17




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 Re: Removing / Installing Sleeves in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
I've done it to mine twice over the years, using a deep freeze to freeze the sleeves.

From reading your post 2 things that I did come to mind.

I had my block on the back of my truck, and had it within a few feet of the deep freeze, I only did one at a time out of the deep freeze.

The first time I did it I had instructions from a local professional, and it was his recommendation that I coat the outside of the sleeve, and the inside of the cleaned block with glycerin, it was hard for me to find this last go round, but I finally found a bottle at an old drug store.

Last go round, three of them slid home with my hands, the last one stopped an inch or so out, I quickly got a piece of 2 x 6 and a BFH, and put the 2 x 6 on top, got on the 2 x 6 with both feet and 200+ lbs, and a few taps sent it on down.

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TheOldHokie

08-02-2007 16:04:45




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 WARNING! shameless self promotion inside in reply to Lurch, 08-02-2007 15:22:34  
For not much more than the cost of that roached sleeve you could have had one of these. No fuss, no muss, no buckles, and no broken sleeves. Doesn't melt (err... sublimate) like dry ice and will be there the next time you need it.

TOH

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Joe (IN)

08-02-2007 16:29:59




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 Re: WARNING! shameless self promotion inside in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-02-2007 16:04:45  
Hey TOH! I've seen your sleeve installers before and thought they were pretty slick. But I've got the same query as John. What about getting them out? Ya got something for that? Also, I couldn't help but notice the pipe bender you've got over by the wall. How do you like it? Will it bend muffler pipe? I've got a hydraulic pipe bender, but it just kinks thinwall tube. Want to do a couple custom exhausts, but can't justify 7 G's for a muffler shop type power bender. Wondered how that type would work.

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TheOldHokie

08-02-2007 17:12:05




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 Re: WARNING! shameless self promotion inside in reply to Joe (IN), 08-02-2007 16:29:59  
It's not a pipe bender - it's for bending bar stock and flats. Works fine - I got it on sale at the Chinese tool store for about $50 - no selling for twice that. If you had the proper mandrels it would bend tube fine but with those flat rollers you'd collapse it.

TOH



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JOHN HUNT

08-02-2007 16:21:21




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 Re: WARNING! shameless self promotion inside in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-02-2007 16:04:45  
hey old you have something going there but what if you took handle off and cut down a inch or two and made the top grab top of the cylinder and use a press to press it out would it work



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TheOldHokie

08-02-2007 17:07:49




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 I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to JOHN HUNT, 08-02-2007 16:21:21  
Yes John - I believe I have all the bases covered.

The Full Monty

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Just bolt the sister tool up:

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And it's out faster than you can get the pump handle in your press:

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Dan

08-02-2007 17:19:53




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-02-2007 17:07:49  
Hey - that looks JUST like my set :-) The set is pretty heavy and looks so good I though about displaying it. One of the better tool investments I have made over the years. Thanks for making these Dan!

I can't wait to give it a run on my '39.

Dan



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DennyF

08-02-2007 18:08:32




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to Dan, 08-02-2007 17:19:53  
If your gonna display that piece of art, might I suggest a nice walnut or oak box to replace that utilitarian one with the nasty ol' OSB lid? ;O)

That'll give TOH something else to do in his spare time: Build presentation-grade puller boxes.



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Dan

08-02-2007 18:16:53




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to DennyF, 08-02-2007 18:08:32  
Mine is veneered(sp) I believe as the outside is pretty nice and my garage sure doesn't mind. Much nicer than throwing them in a sack and mailing. Besides, I was paying for the tools, the box was just a bonus.

Dan



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TheOldHokie

08-02-2007 18:13:56




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to DennyF, 08-02-2007 18:08:32  
Gimme a break - Dan was pressing me for delivery...

TOH



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DennyF

08-02-2007 18:36:14




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-02-2007 18:13:56  
Was intended as a compliment. Something that purty should oughta have a walnut case, if Dan is gonna display it.

My sense of humor is not always evident.



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TheOldHokie

08-02-2007 18:40:41




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to DennyF, 08-02-2007 18:36:14  
My sense of humor is not always evident"

Apparently neither is mine ;-)

TOH



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TheOldHokie

08-02-2007 18:01:34




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to Dan, 08-02-2007 17:19:53  
Actually there's three very patient members of this forum wondering when the heck they are going to get theirs.

TOH



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Joe (IN)

08-02-2007 21:41:53




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 Re: I'm so glad you asked.... in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-02-2007 18:01:34  
What's it cost to get added to the list?



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TheOldHokie

08-03-2007 04:37:09




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 All it takes is in reply to Joe (IN), 08-02-2007 21:41:53  
An email to:

TOH's eMail

I'll provide the details and you can confirm or decline.

TOH



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