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RJ IN WYO

08-03-2007 10:56:27




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Im in the process of rebuilding my 8n. Took the pto shaft out to replace seal and notice the bottom of transmission housing was full of sludge and gunk. was wanting to know the best way to get it out looked in arkives and could not find any information. i know its going to be a dirty job so any info would help thanks rj




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Skycarp

08-03-2007 16:42:04




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 10:56:27  
You have three chambers, all using the same oil. I don’t think you want to run diesel to liquefy that sludge, and then run it through your moving parts like bearings and pump chambers. Best to remove it out the bottom. With the working parts in the three cavities still in place, you can only expect to lower the volume of sludge, not eliminate it.

Myself, I took off the transmission cover, hydraulic lift top cover and removed the pump and PTO shaft. All drain plugs were out. The sludge in mine was the consistency and color of peanut butter. I used a steam cleaner, a pressure washer and a solvent gun in that order. The pressure washer was the most effective. One location you will not have much luck with in the rear axle trumpets. I tilted first one side then the other to allow the liquid to flow out. To my advantage, I was replacing the axle seals on one side so I had a straight shot into the trumpet on that side.

After the steam and pressure washer there was a little flash rust in some locations, but for the most part, the metal is saturated with oil molecules and rusting was not a problem for the short time it was without oil on the moving parts.

While in there, I replaced the lift cylinder, and a new NAA piston and ‘O’ ring and leather gasket. I also installed a new relief valve on the pump. With clean new oil, the pump was quite and the lift arms stayed up all night!

Good luck.

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JMOR

08-03-2007 14:48:18




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 10:56:27  
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Well, you might think these are barnyard photos, but this is only some of what we dug out of the diff, pump, xmission cavities. The lift actually worked before we cleaned, although after seeing this, we wished we had not run it first. It isn't that hard to drop the pump out the bottom after the PTO shaft is out & the side cover off will then give you 3 holes to work & see through. You can grab, scrape, wipe what you can & then use pump up garden sprayer to really wash the inside down with diesel. 3 more posts to see all the pics. Have fun playing in the 'stuff'.

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JMOR

08-03-2007 14:49:40




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to JMOR, 08-03-2007 14:48:18  
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JMOR

08-03-2007 14:50:36




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to JMOR, 08-03-2007 14:49:40  
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JMOR

08-03-2007 14:52:36




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to JMOR, 08-03-2007 14:50:36  
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next (gotta wipe hands somewhere!)



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RJ IN WYO

08-03-2007 14:45:44




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 10:56:27  
thankyou for the replies. i guess it is one of those dirty jobs and somebody has to do it. to the reply from RJ i live in cheyenne wyoming have a good day



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RJ

08-03-2007 14:54:54




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 I also live in Cheyenne, ya going to the county fair tractor in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 14:45:44  
Just have to ask, My name is Ron Jones and I live in Cheyenne, Small world eh



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RJ

08-03-2007 14:22:42




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 10:56:27  
Wow more than one RJ, where in Wyoming do you live?



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JerryS

08-03-2007 13:28:51




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 10:56:27  
When I was rebuilding my lift pump I confronted all this sludge. I started by dipping the stuff out with my hand--it was the consistency of mud. Filled up about two coffee cans with the stuff.

Then, on the advice of a mechanic I drained all the oil from all the sumps, closed it back up and then poured five gallons of clean diesel in there. Cranked her up and let her run about five minutes, and then drained all the diesel. I still had to mop it out good like Dan did, but it came clean.

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JoePilot

08-03-2007 13:59:01




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to JerryS, 08-03-2007 13:28:51  
I don't have a lot of experience with this, but I've seen the subject on the forum a few times.

First, some say it is very bad to run straight diesel, even for a short time. Absolutely no lubricating qualities in diesel, and it is very hard on the hydraulic pump!

Second, don't clean it up halfway. I did a minimal clean out when I had the PTO shaft out. It was really hard to get my hand in there, and I didn't have a sprayer. Anyway, the result was my lift got erratic for a while. I think I stirred up junk in the bottom of the sump, and it was sticking in the valves!

I've also read that the only way to get it really clean is to remove the hydraulic pump. Sounds like Dan's method will work, though, with a lot of persistance and disregard for the skin on your hands:-) If you have a gullible child with small hands around, maybe you can get them to help:-)

Good luck!

Joe

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Dan

08-03-2007 11:07:47




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 Re: cleaning sludge in transmission in reply to RJ IN WYO, 08-03-2007 10:56:27  
I assume since you said you pulled the PTO shaft, you are referring to the differential chamber that needs to be cleaned(?) Let me tell you how I do it, drain the hydraulic oil, fill up an empty spray bottle with kerosene, get s full roll of cheap paper towels and keep a small wastebasket close by. Put a drain pan under the small pipe plug hole and spray the kerosene through the PTO opening until it is draining into the pan below. Hopefully, your arms and hands are small enough to stick it through the PTO opening and start mopping it out. Don't be stingy with the paper towels, change often. I have to use a long screwdriver to get into the far back areas and under the differential gear. After awhile, you will be able to eat off that surface :-)

And by the way, you will soon discover the inside edge of the PTO opening is rough, and you easily loose skin around the very top joint of your thumb and the side of your hand by your pinky finger as you pull your hand back out. Be gentle early on - you have to go back in there frequently and it REALLY smarts once the skin is gone... I still have a patch by my thumb that is off colored from this - it may never blend in with the sorounding skin color.

Also, if the differential chamber is bad, I'll bet your hydraulic chamber and transmission chamber and just as bad.

HTH,
Dan

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