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Ford 9N does not start

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rmt

08-08-2007 20:09:41




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My Ford 9N does not start. Figuring this would be easy, bought coil, plugs, plug wires, and points. Price was stiff, about $90. Should have used this site. Got my handy induction plug tester, turns red when it fires. But does not show fire intensity very well. Noticed there was no fire on the wire. No fire on the distributor cap, located on the front next to fan. So I reluctanty, replaced the points and condenser, it came as a kit. I did not replace the square coil at this point. This was a pain since I had to remove the 12v (two bolts/two wires)alternator for ease of repair. When I put it all togther, I was trying to figure out any timing issues but did not see any way to adjust. Put the old coil, cap, and starter back. The plug tester showed a red light flashing as I pushed the start button. I did it again but saw a weaker light. Replaced the coil with new $39 coil, new coil seemed smaller than the older one because coil seemed loose. I tighten the fit by putting some cork gaskets under the clamp. Tested again, good spark but did not start. Seems this should have done it, will verify the gaps (plug and points) again. I probably need to make sure there is no gunk on the carb. I bled gas (on the glass bowl and on the rigid gas line going to the carb. I will try bleeding carb direclty and maybe I will try a carb starter/spray to kick start it. If this don"t work..not sure what I will do. I did not see a need to replace the plug wires since spark was good.

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Bruce (VA)

08-09-2007 05:24:59




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to rmt, 08-08-2007 20:09:41  
First off, get rid of the 'spark tester'. Get an old plug, open the gap to 3/16, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the head, turn the key on & crank the engine. You have three possibilities: no spark, weak and/or intermittent yellow spark, or a bright blue spark. What is it? Next, check for fuel. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. All that gas in the sediment bowl tells you is that you have gas in the sediment bowl.


In addition to doing all that SouNdguy suggested,, check for continuity inside the distributor. It is very easy to ground the wire to the condenser when you replace the points. Re-check the point gap at .015 on all four lobes, because points do slip.

Lastly, for future reference, do not replace all of the parts of a 'system' at the same time. Do it one part at a time because now you have the distinct possibility of having defective new parts, as you discovered w/ the new coil.

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JerryS

08-09-2007 09:06:30




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-09-2007 05:24:59  
Bruce, you said:

"First off, get rid of the 'spark tester'. Get an old plug, open the gap to 3/16, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the head, turn the key on & crank the engine."

Once again, I will display my appalling ignorance in matters of this sort. In detail, how do you perform this technique? I've seen Dell and others refer to it, and I'm sure it's second-nature to most everybody here, but I've never messed with electricals, but I do want to know how to trouble-shoot.

Is this a fifth plug you are talking about, with the other four plugs in their sockets and plug wires attached, or is your test plug in one of the plug wires? If so, do you hold this with a tool, or just hold the plug wire? Most importantly, will it knock the crap out of you if you do it wrong? As I've said before, sometimes you gurus need to talk real slowly to us neophytes. Thanks.

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Bruce (VA)

08-09-2007 10:15:11




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to JerryS, 08-09-2007 09:06:30  
Use an old plug (keep all the other four in the engine) If you do not have a set of insulated channel locks or linesman pliers, use a section of garden hose & stick the plug in that. Then, remove any plug wire & hook it to the test plug. Hold the test plug tight to the clean place on the block w/ your pliers or improvised garden hose insulator, turn the key on & crank the engine. Yes, if you get in the circuit, it will set you back a few feet!

You need to be able to observe the color & intensity of the spark as it jumps the 3/16" gap. Lots of electrical theory about the amount of current/voltage required to get a spark to jump a gap under compression..... but, we just cut through all of that by using a 3/16" gap & no compression!

I always keep a spare plug in every one of the N tool boxes, That is the second check I make when the tractor stops. (the first is to check for gas in the tank!)

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JerryS

08-09-2007 11:35:29




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-09-2007 10:15:11  
Thanks very much, Bruce. Your instructions are very clear.



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souNdguy

08-09-2007 05:10:09




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to rmt, 08-08-2007 20:09:41  
1, are you using metal core wires or carbon core wires? Carbon core wires are for modern automobiles with radio's and other electronic gizmos that are affected by spark noise... they also cut spark intensity... that don't matter much on modern HEI spark systems. However on your old anemic spark system.. you need all you can get.

You do know that it's a 2-bolt job to remove the distribuitor and set points and static timing on yer bench right?

A cheap reprint owners manual will help you as well as a copy of the I&T fo-4 manual.

In any case.. the timeing issue isn't real bad.. generally even if you are out of adjustment.. if all else is good.. they will at least start.


Also.. gently stretch the pigtail spring under the coil to make sure it makes good contact with the ponts screw.

Veryify you have points opening and closing by 1 of 2 ways.

#1, with a test lamp.

Turn ignition on, connect test clip to wire that would go to coil, remove coil, put probe to points screw.. roll engine over.. lamp should blink. If it stays off.. poitns aren't grounding.. or you aren't getting power. If it stays on.. points are shorted or are not opening... points DO slip..

#2, with an ohm meter... use continuity beeper on a digital.. or look for low range / needle swings on an analog.

Remove coil, put one probe to ground, and one probe to points screw.. roll engine over.. listen for beeps.. or look for needle swings. .. same info as above if no swings.. or constant beep.. etc..


lastly.. make sure you have between 2.5 and 3.5 v at the wire for the coil, when it is installed, with points closed. Prime location for loss of voltate is a bad ignition switch.. and / or bad dirty contacts and old wiring between the switch and ballast resistor.

Soundguy

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RP-40-9n

08-08-2007 22:05:42




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to rmt, 08-08-2007 20:09:41  
has the tractor been setting a long time? or do you use it regularly? i would pull the drain plug at bottom of carb and see if it runs a good flow, at least a quart. next pull a spark plug and ground it, or the plug wire to a head bolt and see if you have good strong blue fire jumping. if you still have trouble, post back for more help. RP



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rey

08-26-2007 19:46:46




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 Re: Ford 9N does not start in reply to RP-40-9n, 08-08-2007 22:05:42  
1. Replaced gas, plugs, pts and coil
2. Tractor started with some help using carb starter spray
3. Overhauled carb, works fine except on hi rpm,noticed that governor throtttles back if tractor gas handle is 100%
4. Advise given by all was excellent.



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