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Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping??

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Greg (NV)

08-11-2007 04:47:25




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Greetings, I'ts been a long time since I've posted to this forum. A number of years ago I fully restored my 52 8N tractor. It was stripped-down and every part was rebuilt or restored and painted. Just the machine work and rebuilding the engine alone was $1,200 (less parts). I've got over $2,000 in new parts alone not counting all the labor involved. Well I decided to sell it and put an ad in the paper for $3,500 which I feel is a more than fair price. So far I've had two people look at but no buyers. I thought these old Ford tractors were a hot item and people snapped them up right away. Well I guess not because I've only had two calls on it. I've also got a Deerborn trip bucked loader I'm throwing in with the deal, and another 49 8N for sale. So I'm thinking that these tractors just aren't worth much anymore, am I wrong?

Greg
Nevada

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Pete76NY

08-11-2007 15:50:30




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
Here in Upstate, NY, the value has remained pretty constant for a good running N restored or not: $2500-$3000. The problem with them is ya hit a wall that is hard to get past no matter how much you do to them (we're guilty too; about $3500 in a 2N...it does have a Sherman, and is mechanically perfect, the paint is showing some wear as it's Dad's favorite chore tractor) but even if we did a real good paint job we'd never get what we have in it. What I have noticed is that there are less guys asking BIG prices for them lately.
On the way back from the NY Pageant of Steam last night, Dad and I were discussing how much we had in each tractor (about 10 of various make and model) and how much we could get out of them if we sold 'em (never will)...we decided that with values the way they are we could probably make a little on the real nice JD 70 and break even on our real nice Super H. Depending on how much we end up putting in the AC D10 we figure we could make good money as we got it for $300, but the rest are all losers from a financial standpoint. Good thing we love them!

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Joe)NYC)

08-11-2007 08:36:18




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Pete76NY, 08-11-2007 15:50:30  
Pete,
Do you have a listing of any tractor show/swap meets in NY state. I was at a show about 2 years ago which I enjoed but lost all information on it. It was upstate NY somewhere about 40-50 South West of albany. If anyone has any info on tractor shows in NY state. New Jersey, Connecticut I would appreciate it.



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Robert Platt Bell

08-11-2007 14:45:15




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 Half what yo have into it... in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
My experience with old cars, motorcycles, boats, and RVs had always been that the vehicle is always worth "about half what you have into it" - if you are lucky! So you see a lot of ads for old cars or whatever, where the guy says, "$5,000 invested, will sell for $2500". That's about right.

The original premise of this thread was a tractor bought for $1200, with $2000 invested, and the seller wanted $3500 for it, for a $300 profit. That's going the wrong way. I suspect if he has $3200 invested in it, it may be worth that, or less. Unfortunately. I feel your pain!

Thus, I have found that it is best to buy someone else's restored vehicle rather than restore your own, as it cost a lot less and you can have fun with the vehicle and not spend all your time getting dirty (for some, though, that IS the fun part).

I paid $3000 for this 1941 9N three years ago and probably paid too much. I was the only bidder on eBay. It runs like a champ, though, and I have only tinkered with it (rebuilt carb, added tract-o-lite headlights, new tires, etc.). The previous owner spent a lot more time and money on it.

I use it to mow the lawn, about 50 hours a year or less of use. That is probably all it is good for, that and some light box-blading. I note that many highway departments seem to favor Fords and New Hollands for lawn mowing. Maybe they know something.

I figure I can use this and take care of it for several years and sell it for about what I paid for it, or not a lot less. A heck of a lot less depreciation than a $20,000 Kubota (which despite what everyone says, are not "bulletproof").

As others have noted, some vintage Ford attachements such as a bucket loader are not really robust, and some old timers have advised me to just plain stay away from a 9N with a bucket loader. "They never worked right" they say. Most I see for sale have weld patches on them, which says something. So the utility of these tractors is limited.

So who is the AUDIENCE for these tractors? Collectors and tinkerers, mostly. Serious farmers might have an old 8N or 9N in the barn for occasional use, but it was probably grandpa's old tractor. They ain't about to go out and BUY one. The farmers around here use these huge articulated John Deeres, even for tiny 10 acre fields.

When the economy goes south, toys are the first thing to be sold on the auction block, and the only folks who can buy them are folks like us, who pay cash for vehicles. Small audience!

And there is the over-restoration problem. I've looked at a lot of older 1946-1949 CJ-2A jeeps. Some guys do a stellar job of restoring these and the old military MBs. The problem is, they are so nice and clean and straight, you'd never want to drive them anywhere. The first time you hop in, you scratch the pristine paint on the floor, not to mention getting mud on those cadmium-plated body bolts. Your 10-point restoration drops 3 points right there.

So you see them a lot for sale, right after the last nut is tightened in the restoration. "only 150 miles since restoration". Poor guy, he restored the thing and doesn't know what to do with it. It only goes 45 mph and is not really very useful for daily driving or even off-roading, if you can't get it dirty.

When I got my tractor, I was a bit paranoid about scratching up and dirtying this 66 year old antique. Then I realized that they made a LOT of these tractors, most of them (it seems) are still around in one state or another, and they can be had all day long on eBay in good shape for a few grand at most.

That's the other frustrating thing for a restorer - oftentimes a restored vehicle sells for only a little more than a complete junker. A "basket case" 9N sells on eBay for $1000. A restored tractor sells for only a couple of grand more. Which is the better bargain? I think the latter.

I am looking at a mid-1980's Bluebird Wanderlodge right now. Same thing. The total restorations sell for only a few grand more than the basket cases. It makes no sense! One fellow is selling his, as he says "there is nothing left to tinker on, I've rebuilt everything". That's the one I want to buy!

You can buy these all day long for $35,000. But most folks opt for a $175,000 brand new motorcoach with triple slides, with low, low monthly payments... because they can "afford" that.

Who comes out ahead in the long run?

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gahorN

08-12-2007 08:35:53




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 Re: Half what yo have into it... in reply to Robert Platt Bell, 08-11-2007 14:45:15  
You're absolutely correct, RPB! Buy the restored item and save money. (But beware!...fresh paint ain't a rebuild or a restoration! See the receipts for the parts, at least.)


Greg (NV) said: (quoted from post at 10:29:11 08/11/07)...And that is why I've bought and am still buying gold collector coins. ....


Gold collector coins and guns are not edible. The coins are not worth anything in a barter market either. And meltin' them down throws away the collector value. (Heck, handling them reduces their value!) At least the guns can get dinner on the table and keep thieves at bay. (Many years of both and I've never made anything on them, even thru two serious recessions.) Like a nawlin's nobby rubber, they might make the seller and the person on the other end of the deal feel good, but they won't do much for you.

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kevin flynn

08-11-2007 11:17:42




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
I looked at all them new tractors...who needs then!I can fix my 2n myself in the driveway and with the help of this web site.



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ericlb

08-11-2007 07:39:42




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
i think part of reason for the drop in prices and activity is the type of people who were buying the N's for awhile at least around here, we have city people who have never been around tractors that were moving here , buying a 5 acre place and then after looking at the very expencive japenese tractors, and the much cheaper china tractors, they picked up a even cheaper N fully expecting the N to work like the modern compact utility units, and not realizing the N was designed to do completly different work,ie the loader on the n was designed to allow the farmer to clean out his livestock pens,[ manure and bedding material is relitivly lite compared to dirt] it wasnt really made to dig in the hard ground like a backhoe is, then the N is designed to plow, disc, and plant row crops, not run a modern rototiller, it will do an excelent job of soil prep for a garden plot , if its used with the implements it was designed for, we do it every year, as well as a lot of other good folks on this board,i think once the new owners are disapointed with the performance they get by misusing the tractor, they no longer want to buy them, most of these old N's are still being used as working tractors, the price is up a little over other brands of the same vintage bue to the 3 point hitch, look at the prices for a decent running H or M farmall, the H farmall has i believe about the same drawbar hp as the 8n, even though the H is a larger tractor size wise, but it didnt come with the 3 point back in the day so unless its added on somehow ,it cant use the modern impliments, but the tractor is bringing about 500 to a thousand dollars less at the sales , john deere prices are high but it may be due to the old 2 clyinders being almost a cult following like harley davidson motorcycles what do you folks think?

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Dave H

08-11-2007 07:06:13




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
Maybe it is like the housing market. It has to stabilize and values have to be relevant to demand.

I see the big bucks/deep pocket guys out there still at it. But they are not investing in tractors that were dime a dozen -- that equals to no value on the big buck market.

Practical/less well healed people have to squeeze the buck more and that means that the value of the more prevalent/non collector value stuff like the "they are everywhere" N's will have to get correct with the market.

The 2N (the fmily tractor for over 50 years) that is all in one piece, push the button and go, that my brother and his lawyer stole from the estate has been setting along the road for 2 years with a 2500 asking price on it.

Just my ramlings.

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maplehillfrm,pat

08-11-2007 06:10:12




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
I think it is down and has been down for a while now, not only on N's but all around, I believe the answer about them buying a newer tractor for "only 300 a month no down payment and 0% finance"has them all going the way of the new tractor with all the whisles.

I dont understand the collector part of it though,, there are still those of us around that collect and work with them, but the prices have been down all year,

I was down sizing this year I sent 8 tractors to auctions after I couldnt sell them , here,local,ebay, classifieds ads elsewhere, and took a beating on all of them, money or intereset, I am not sure which is not there any more,, I was thinking it was the price of gas but people are still buying STUFF,,

just last week here is an example,on ebay I put up these ,, all had MANY watchers questions and hits. I had a 2n nice running tractor all complete good tires,1600 bucks--- a 1947 cub complete running nice tin tires 1000 bucks,--- and a 1953 cub with fast hitch nice running tractor good tires, blahaha 1700 buck,,-- all reasonably CHEAP prices,, as of last year they should have been gone quick sale right???? nope I still have them, I decided to put the cubs in the back of the barn out of the way, maybe in 8 yrs the youngest son goes to college maybe the price will come up,, the ford I will put weight in the tires and put it in the woods at my other piece of property,, I aint losing any more money on tractors that should be selling ,, deals are out there for the buyers I am sure but for some reason they aint selling even with good prices???? good luck with your sale,, I hope you get a buyer,, pat

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Rusty 2N

08-11-2007 05:44:51




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
Hi Greg, Been wondering what happened to you. Glad to see you are still kickin. The price is up on these old tractors but the money isn't out there for most people. There's a 9N at the red tractor store for 4 grand & it's been there for a couple years & a 2N at walters for $2500 with a sickle mower thats been sittin there for awhile now. I think that for the same money folks can get a newer tractor with more bells & whistles. I must get ready for another day of cutting wheat, was just surprised to see you posting again & wanted to say hi. By the way Willie is over on the KL board when he's not out fightin fires. Rusty

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Greg (NV)

08-11-2007 05:50:24




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 Great To Hear From You Rusty in reply to Rusty 2N, 08-11-2007 05:44:51  
It's been a long time huh? I trust you're doing well. Willie shouldn't have any problem finding a fire these days what with the western half of the US burning-up. What forum is it that he's on, I'll have to drop him a hello. Keep in touch.

Greg



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grfok

08-11-2007 05:35:29




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
I think people are opting for monthly payments and a new tractor instead of these old classics... I seem to see the same thing happening around here (Tulsa) they have to add brush hog and other attachments to the sale to try and get the price the tractor alone used to bring. People do not like the lack of a loader, no live PTO, lack of service, reliability of new and would rather make easy monthly payments. Purely my opinion as a very happy owner of a 9N that cost $2000 last year plus $500 more for box blade, scraper, plow, boom pole, and middle buster I have since bought a brush hog, landscape rake and am looking for a disc. This winter I'll rebuild the engine and hydraulics and still have less than 1/2 the price of the new tractor alone... I think they are still a value.

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Tim...Ok

08-11-2007 09:39:06




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to grfok, 08-11-2007 05:35:29  
grfok good to see another Tulsa name on here :) I'm kinda between Catoosa,Inola and Claremore,but work in tulsa..where you from??

Tim



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john hunt

08-11-2007 05:23:57




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
THE MONEY IS GONE THE VALUE there still up there. but if you don't have the money. or can't get the money, you can't buy the tractor.. and today the bank won't give the money out today as easy they did ...



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Greg (NV)

08-11-2007 05:46:08




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 I Believe What You're Saying But... in reply to john hunt, 08-11-2007 05:23:57  
Everything you hear out of the government is rosey. The economy is great, unemployment is low, blah - blah - blah. You wouldn't think there was a problem if you could see the fancy homes they're building in this once rural community. And of course everyone moving here has got the fancy cars and "ALL" the toys, (boats - RV's - Quads - etc.).



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cargocult (CONSERVATIVE)

08-11-2007 08:28:42




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 Re: I Believe What You're Saying But... in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 05:46:08  
"Everything you hear out of the government is rosey. The economy is great, unemployment is low, blah - blah - blah."


Mark My Words...There is a coming "Great Economic Downturn" that will make the Great Depression of '29 look like the TEDDY BEARS' PICNIC!! The cracks in the facade are there! The Gummint is tryin' to patch things up, but can only do so much, since there is No $$!! When this happens..them new homes & fancy vehicles/boats/ATV/Snomobiles, etcetc will all be sitting there getting sold 4 Pennies on the Dollar! (Or the evil Bank will repo them & sell them cheap!) When this happens, easy-to-maintain Ford N tractors will retain more of their value than the El Cheapo Jap/Chink tractors the Yuppies favour! After all, when the ball drops & shipping stops the parts one needs to replace will NOT be available! So, avoid spending any money, store food (don't forget the TP)& guns (don't forget the ammo) & Tools (hand) and sit there and wait till some Yuppie puts his "toys" out beside the road .....THAT is the proper time to buy!! My opinion only!! CC, who can see the train coming down the track!!

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bva

08-11-2007 11:02:39




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 Re: I Believe What You're Saying But... in reply to cargocult (CONSERVATIVE), 08-11-2007 08:28:42  

You talk a good line, but isn't it rather foolish to base the future on something that is worth less than a weeks pay.



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Greg (NV)

08-11-2007 10:29:11




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 Re: I Believe What You're Saying But... in reply to cargocult (CONSERVATIVE), 08-11-2007 08:28:42  
"The Gummint is tryin' to patch things up, but can only do so much, since there is No $$!!"

And that is why I've bought and am still buying gold collector coins. The value of the dollar is going to hit bottom and my gold is going to be worth $$$$. Maybe I should hold-off on buying the quad I want and wait until the yuppies start losing theirs. As far as the guns go mine are locked and loaded, and I'm licensed to carry in (32) states.

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Greg (NV)

08-11-2007 05:17:09




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 04:47:25  
BTW...Hi Dell (WA)I'm sure you remember me. I'm the guy you took to the airport after that tractor meet in Spokane. Do you ever talk to any of those guys? I've still got the pictures from that get together years ago.



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Dell (WA)

08-11-2007 07:20:18




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 05:17:09  
Greg..... .I just got home from same summer fair job I had at the "gathering" in Spokane in 2002? was it???. Rusty 2N occasionally stops by for comment. Mark H now known as Willy N, is still around and hangs out on Yesterdays Tractors "Kountry Life" forum. (KL) His summer job is private tanker truck contractor to Forest Service for fire fighting. He still has his BIG dogs and Scottish Highland cattle. Weren't those steaks delish??? I treasure the "disk" of photos you sent. I lost track of everyone else. I'm glad you stopped by.

Dunno what to tell you about your 8N restro, and you did such a good job. Pricewize old tractor restro's never pencil out, I call it the "cost of education, (cheap)". And you did get a good mechanical education doing yer restro didn't you? Besides it kept you off the streets, outta the bars, and away from "wild wimmins". Which can be MUCH more expensive than the loss of selling yer $5000 tractor restro fer going price of good runnin' $2500 8N. That just the way it goes, eh?..... ...best wishes, Dell

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Matt L

08-11-2007 08:19:00




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 Re: Value Of N Series Tractors Dropping?? in reply to Greg (NV), 08-11-2007 05:17:09  

Greg (NV) said: (quoted from post at 05:17:09 08/11/07) BTW...Hi Dell (WA)I'm sure you remember me. I'm the guy you took to the airport after that tractor meet in Spokane. Do you ever talk to any of those guys? I've still got the pictures from that get together years ago.


What tractor meet was this?

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