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rd99

08-13-2007 11:45:04




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My '47 2N front mount distributor 6V tractor is still having an occasional miss.

So far this is what I've done:

It sat for 15 years previously.

Had to adjust the points, there was no gap at all, but couldn't get more than 0.012 gap maximum on any one lobe.

New spark plugs gapped to 0.025.

I used ATF in the cylinders and let it sit for 3 days then turned the engine over and re-filled and let sit 1 day.

Engine starts without starter fluid so it did help some, but engine has a miss occasionally.

I replaced the points, condenser and the distributor cap. Gapped to the correct 0.015 now. Engine still has an occasional miss when at idle. It's not a constant miss, but maybe one cylinder is missing twice in a row then it runs for maybe 10 seconds with none of the hiss sound of a miss, then maybe a miss or to again.

I had all of the spark plugs out at once and they all looked like they were making a good spark.

Is this something I should just hook up the two bottomed plow and put the engine to work for a bit to try and clear up?

If I put the tractor in 3rd and let it go at a low rpm it sounds smooth and no misses higher rpm in 3rd also sounds smooth. If I put the tractor in reverse or 1st it makes the miss sounds occasionally again.

I haven't put in a new rotor or spark plug wires.

Suggestions?

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rd99

08-13-2007 14:24:13




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
Under load of a double bottom plow it doesn't make any miss sounds.

If I pull up the plow and idle or drive around in 1st it's still got the random miss.

I'll work it more heavily when I get a chance.

I probably need to take the carb apart since I haven't looked at it yet, maybe there's a 15 year old mouse in it.

On another note, my gas valve is now leaking pretty good after running the engine for an hour.

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Dan

08-13-2007 13:34:35




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
I have found that there are literally hundreds of things that can cause a miss on these tractors. I have tried to track this down on a couple of 8Ns before - a side mount 1952 model and most recently a 1948 8N trailer queen. Because I am somewhat of a perfectionist, I simply decided I would find the cause of the miss in my '48 and fix it! It was a fresh full rebuild and I went through a new distributor cam and weight assembly, multiple points, plugs, condensors, rotor, wiring, timing, valve lash changes, manifold, and FINALLY tracked it down to my freshly rebuilt carb. Seem that the aftermarket views the jet hole sizes as somewhat optional :-) That fixed my miss on my '48, but all of the above parts, and several I did not mention "could" be the source of your frustration. On my '52, retarding the timing helped to reduce this annoying random miss (and made hot starting easier to boot).

I wish you luck, it is a tough one to track down if you are a perfectionist. Otherwise, a intermittent miss is common in these old inefficient flat heads and doesn't seem to cause any issues in a worker.

Dan

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Vern-MI

08-13-2007 13:00:09




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
A while back Dan posted here with an idle miss and he discovered a jet size problem in his MS carb. If you have checked everything else like wobbly distributor shaft and bad points then maybe what he found would be of some help to you.



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rd99

08-13-2007 12:37:38




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
Thanks for the help guys.

I'll hook up the plow later today and do some work with it.



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old

08-13-2007 12:24:19




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
If it where me I would take it out and make it work good and hard for a few hours and see if it get worse or clears up. Oh by the way I'll be doing the same thing you are doing in a week of so sicne I just made a deal on an 8N the other day that has sat from what the guy said since some time in the 60s, so it will be a tranny fluid fill up for sure. And as sound said putting some tranny fluid in the gas may well help the problem

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Jerry/MT

08-13-2007 12:06:33




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
After 15 years of non use, your 2N sounds like it's running pretty good! An occasional miss at idle is not too serious an issue, especially since you apparently just resurrected this machine. But you say that in first and reverse you have a miss and since these are low gears, the rpm is probably higher so this may an indication of a high speed speed problem. You'll know when you hook it up to the plow and work it.

I'd suspect a sticky valve and these flatheads are prone to that especially after sitting for a long time. Some folks recommend a pint of ATF or Marvel Mystery Oil(MMO) in a tank of fuel to cure the problem. If it were me and the valves are sticking, I'd spray them with brake cleaner and then try the MMO/ATF treatment. Check the valve lash while you are at it and make sure that it's correct.
Check the idle mixture setting on the carb. New rotor and copper core plug wires are not a bad idea, either.

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soundguy

08-13-2007 11:57:37




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 Re: Help with Engine miss in reply to rd99, 08-13-2007 11:45:04  
It's very possible that you may have a sticky valve and you are getting a 'poot' for a miss on an open valve..e tc.

The atf trick was a good one.

If you have any more left over.. I'd add it to the gas and then put her to work hard.. IE.. plowing or mowing.. Something to make the governor kick.. If yer lucky.. that valves will unstick with more use,a nd so will the rings. if they are not moving freely.. etc.

If she hasn't free'd up after a couple days of backbraking work.. might be time for either a compression test.. if ya got the tester ( cheap $$ at harbor freight ).. or pull the valve covers off for a visual inspection .. perhaps even a stem cleaning with a tooth brush and some of that atf cut with a little mineral spirtis.. or diesel.. or kero.. etc..

also.. don't worry if ya fog a bit from the oily gas... atleast the top cyl is getting some lube.

if ya don't got atf left over.. dump some 2cyl oil in there.. it'l fog too.. and lube pretty good..

post back

Soundguy

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