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Rich in NJ

08-22-2007 09:40:23




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Our church has an old baptistry that I'm guessing is at lest 80 years old. We are in the process of adding in a filtration system and a heater, and were originally thinking about tearing out the old one and installing a new fiberglass tank. The measurements are roughly 3'6" by 4' by 8' and once I got up close to it, I soon realized that it's completely lined with copper (0.023")! It has many, many layers of paint and I was wondering just how tough it would be to strip off the old paint and polish it up. It's way too beautiful to ever think about removing.
What's the best way to go about stripping off the paint and then to restore the original shine, and, is there a way to seal it to prevent further corrosion?

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NE IA Dave

08-23-2007 21:56:43




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Rich in NJ, 08-22-2007 09:40:23  
A friend runs a auction house and cleans coins with I think salt water and a chunk of alumn foil. I'm not sure of the exact stuff she mixes, but I have seen the coins cleaned in the solution in less that five munites if my memory is correct. The coins looked perfectly clean in a unreal new shinny state. She has since stopped doing so as it decreases the value by cleaning the coins. I do know that it was a no cost, and household simple, on hand products. Very impressive to say the least.

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Spyder2000

08-23-2007 12:30:44




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Rich in NJ, 08-22-2007 09:40:23  
You can probably strip the paint with acetone. It won't harm the metal but it will make the sanctuary smell so this is not a Saturday afternoon undertaking. Once the paint is off, any commercial copper cleaner is good (ammonia is a component of those and it's safe to mix with acetone) for a shine. I've even used Brasso on copper but Flitz is a better choice.

Lacquering the copper might be iffy. Any moisture on the metal will return as the greenish patina.

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Ramrod

08-23-2007 12:12:21




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to teddy52food, 08-22-2007 09:40:23  
I'm not sure what lye will do to copper, but if it is safe, use Dollar Store oven cleaner as we do on old tractors to strip paint. Being that it is copper, it will solder like a dream. Get a radiator guy to come over and solder it up, or dive in (!) and solder it up yourself.

Ramrod

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J-M-D

08-22-2007 13:58:59




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Rich in NJ, 08-22-2007 09:40:23  
You might look into a product called Peel Away. It will remove something like 30 layers of paint in one application. I used it to strip a 55 year old door with great results.



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soundguy

08-22-2007 10:45:12




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Rich in NJ, 08-22-2007 09:40:23  
Coli9n gave yo some great ideas.. a historacle society should be able to give you restorative and preserative tips.. however the non abrasive paint stripper and laqure sealer sounds like a good idea to me.

In the music industry.. silver and brass horns are generally laqure sealed.

Soundguy



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Wild Bill

08-22-2007 16:33:04




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to soundguy, 08-22-2007 10:45:12  
Sounder, nit-picking here but there are two general types of protective surfaces applied to brass instruments (horns). One being a laquer applied over the polished brass surface, and the other being silver (more nickel than silver) plating applied after polishing. No laquer is used on silver instruments, the plating is the protective surface.



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soundguy

08-22-2007 18:48:53




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Wild Bill, 08-22-2007 16:33:04  
I've seen plenty of refinished instruments with laqure over the silver.

I get a new band every night.. the vast majority of them have horns.. I can't tell you how many thousands of horns I've mic'ed up in my carear.

They may not come from the factory silver/laqured.. but a lazy musician will go a long ways to get out of work..

Boil bass strings in alchhol.. etc.. etc..

Weedeater line for upright bass strings.. etc..

Go ahead and nitpick.. I'v seen it all.

Soundguy

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Wild Bill

08-22-2007 19:23:06




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to soundguy, 08-22-2007 18:48:53  
I've seen quite a few horns myself, even mic'd up a few.

who know what some punchy would do to his axe.



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soundguy

08-23-2007 05:24:27




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Wild Bill, 08-22-2007 19:23:06  
Funny enough.. most guitar players i see will have a beautiful axe.. hi polish.. soft interior case, and handle it with kid gloves.. ( Ok.. I've seen a few that look like they are playing a boat oar !! ).. then you get the horn players.. I've seen som real bad beaters.. half finish.. no finish.. flaking laquer from a ho-made job.. Bad cork.. MISSING cork.. wax ang cig lighter trick to get neck to fit tighter for 1 more gig.. and another.. and another.. and another.. etc.

Kinda makes ya cry to see a 2-3-4 thousand dolalr horn treated like that.

However i think the worst instrument abuse was a guy that brought in an upright bass. He played this gig often.. and was too cheap to buy a stand for it.. always leaned it against the wall, and used a bridge pickup. While walking across stage one night at break , he tripped on his own pickup line, and knocked the bass over.. Can you say 'kindeling!' I about fainted and i was way back in the FOH booth...

Soundguy

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Colin King

08-22-2007 10:13:19




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 Re: OT - cleaning up old copper in reply to Rich in NJ, 08-22-2007 09:40:23  
Rich,

You might want to look at some of the architectural preservation briefs put out by the National Park Service, or get some ideas from your local heritage preservation office (sometimes a non-profit, sometimes a city/county entity) or historical society.

I think I'd try a paint stripping solvent and something soft and non-abrasive like a sponge after the stripper had soaked in for a while. Then lacquer the surface when it is clean.

It sounds like a really interesting project! Good luck.

Colin, MN

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