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RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT

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onehardcase

08-29-2007 08:52:56




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Ok so these are the things I have done to try to make the thing run with out having the choke out.

1)Rebuilt the carb
2)new pionts, cap
3)replaced the sediment bowl, added inline filter
4)replaced coil
5)jumpered it from battery to coil to make sure enough juice was going to coil
6)checked the bushing play in the distributor very slight movement.

Still no change in running of this thing. HELP
Thanks Onehardcase

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DisHim

09-22-2007 12:45:31




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to onehardcase, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
mine did same thing,I would check sediment bowl by draining it then turn your gas on bowl should fill within seconds..my was dripping in to the bowl slowly eemed to solve my problem



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Kenster

08-29-2007 14:49:11




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to Danny in CO, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
Strongly suggest you get rid of the inline filter. Absolutely no need for one or Henry would have put one in there in the first place. Just make sure that all three filters that are suppose to be there are clean and clog free.



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Dan

08-29-2007 11:32:32




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to onehardcase, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
I had the same problem with my 1948 8N the first time I fixed it up. I had a FULLY soaked and rebuilt carb on it with new jets, so I messed with everything BUT the carb. I finally took it back off and shot some carb cleaner opposite the fuel flow on the main jet with the straw that comes with the canned carb cleaner, put it back together, and poof - I could run without the choke.

I agree with Bob - check the main jet for clogs - sometimes rebuilds shake stuff loose. It is a quick 10 minute job.

Dan

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old

08-29-2007 10:26:59




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to onehardcase, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
Most of the time adding an in line fuel filter adds to the problem instead of helping it. Unless the in line filter is made for a gravity flow fuel system. As the others have said vacuum leak or you still have a clog some place in the carb



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soundguy

08-29-2007 10:14:47




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to onehardcase, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
Needs choke 2 run:

vacume leak

fuel obstruction

Decide which, then fix it. Easiest way to determine vacume leak is to wave unlit propane torch all around the carb while it is running.. or the wd-40 spary.. etc.

if engine speed changes.. you got a vacume leak..

Soundguy



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Brian Bell

08-29-2007 09:30:18




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to onehardcase, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
You might also want to be sure you don't have a vacuum leak. Try spraying some WD-40 or similar spray around the intake manifold and the carb flange. If it cleans up, you will need a new gasket.



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Bob

08-29-2007 08:54:18




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to onehardcase, 08-29-2007 08:52:56  
You've got a plugged passage in the lower part of the carb.



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John B. NE Ind.

08-29-2007 23:57:34




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 Re: RUNNING WITH THE CHOKE OUT in reply to Bob, 08-29-2007 08:54:18  
With everything you've done so far, I'm with Bob on this one.Just rebuilding the carb doesn't always fix the problem. I went thru all the mentioned things and found out it was a plugged passage. Ran smooth as silk after that.



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A. Bohemian

08-29-2007 15:26:16




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 Do the Quick Checks First in reply to Bob, 08-29-2007 08:54:18  
Quote: ''5)jumpered it from battery to coil to make sure enough juice was going to coil...''

Totally unnecessary and puts your coil at risk (not much risk, admittedly), especially in some 12-volt conversions, since you bypassed the ballast resistor.

You could have looked at your dashboard ammeter instead and had the answer instantly. With the standard six-volt system you want to see a three amp discharge with the ignition on but the engine not running.

So, do the quick checks first. Odds are very good one of these will find your problem, and it only takes a few minutes to run all three.

(1) Check the fuel flow. First get rid of the fuel filter UNLESS it was designed for a gravity-feed system (and they almost never are). Pull the plug on the bottom of the carb and let 'er run for several minutes. You want a STEADY stream the diameter of the plug.

(2) Take a good spark plug and bend the electrode out to 3/16''. Clamp it to ground. Remove ONE spark line at a time (double-check the firing order when done. 1-2-4-3 with number one in front) and hook it to the test plug.

You need to see a bright, wide, blue spark. Weak or discolored spark needs more gas in the fuel/air mixture to run well, which is what you get when you apply the choke.

(And always remember, blindly replacing points, rotors, caps, etc., rarely accomplishes anything unless you CHECK the spark to CHECK your results.)

(3) Do the check with the WD-40 around the manifold. Vacuum leaks will sometimes cause this condition, all right.

But the single most common cause of choke dependency (at least in humid climates) is poor fuel flow due to rust in the system. This is ESPECIALLY true if the tractor is kept outdoors when not in use.

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