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What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication?

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Rich Koehler(OH

05-21-1999 11:34:16




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I recently posted an answer about a 2 speed tranny in which I said the Sherman was lubed by the gearbox oil. A reply to that said it was sealed and self lubed. A check of the archives seemed to support my post. Is there anyone who has worked on these things and is willing to state authoritatively and with some listing of their qualifications which is correct? I have one of these things and cannot picture Ford or anyone else designing a gearbox that neccessitated splitting the tractor to perform an oil change, nor do I think the oil technology of the 40's was such that they could say it was permanently lubed and expect anyone believe them. Hope the discussion this might stimulate doesn't get too long or ugly, as I can't get back to the board 'til Monday.

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Nolan

05-25-1999 04:45:59




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 Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to Rich Koehler(OH), 05-21-1999 11:34:16  
I have a Sherman and ordered the literature for them from the N-Newsletter. I got a whole lot of literature too! I strongly suggest all owners of Shermans, and any other impliments, add ons and ge-gaws order literature from the N-Newsletter.

Anyway, The Sherman literature made it very clear that while the unit is shipped dry and must be filled up prior to operation, the unit is kept full by the regular transmission, and there is no requirement for regularly scheduled changes, or any provisions for the unnecessary topping up.

The oil does indeed walk forward and slobber its way into (and out of) the sherman gearbox. I chose to verify this myself by operating my tractor with the transmission cover off. Messy, but quite fun to watch.

Which does raise the interesting question of what does the Sherman gearbox think of 134...

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BB Stacker

05-23-1999 15:42:20




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 Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to Rich Koehler(OH), 05-21-1999 11:34:16  
I was the one who replied to your post on the Sherman. I was unaware that it was required that I submit my qualifications. I don't claim to be an expert on 8n's but I have had the Sherman unit out and change the oil. In my earlier reply I stated that I could be wrong, being wrong is easy, try it sometime.



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Rich Koehler(OH)

05-24-1999 06:23:52




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 Re: Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to BB Stacker, 05-23-1999 15:42:20  
BB -- I've been there. I just don't want being wrong to cost me any cash I didn't have to spend if I had known what was right. I still haven't had time to fix my brakes and steering, and don't want to have to deal with a broken tranny due to not knowing what to do, nor do I want to split the tractor if I don't need to do anything to the Sherman. Some advice is from hands on experience, some is from reading books. I prefer listening to someone who has actually done some work, as you apparently have, rather than just read about it somewhere. Thanks for your help. Rich

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Tyler(MD)

05-21-1999 16:32:47




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 Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to Rich Koehler(OH), 05-21-1999 11:34:16  
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I have the original installation instructions and parts price list for the Sherman step-up tranny when first purchased by my grandfather. Interesting to note the prices on these parts. :-)

Tyler



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kcm200

05-21-1999 15:36:32




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 Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to Rich Koehler(OH), 05-21-1999 11:34:16  
My dad and I installed a Sherman overdrive in his 8N. The overdrive needed to be filled with oil before installation. There was a drain plug at the bottom of the unit, but don't recall any fill plug (we filled it with the Sherman top cover off before installation). The unit is self-contained and fits inside the clutch housing that is not filled with oil.

I do recall that there was no seal at the output shaft of the Sherman (where it attached to the tractor transmission), so theoretically oil could flow from the transmission though the output bearing in the Sherman into the Sherman. I don't believe the tractor transmission was to directly supply oil to the Sherman, maybe just keep it topped off.

There is no way to drain the oil from the Sherman or check the oil without splitting the tractor at the rear of the engine and removing the Sherman. Remember, it was an aftermarket and dealer installed item, not designed into the N-Series tractor by Ford.

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David Sales

05-21-1999 13:59:36




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 Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to Rich Koehler(OH), 05-21-1999 11:34:16  
Rich,

The Shermans are indeed self-contained. The Sherman installation instructions say before installing the input shaft (to the Sherman), install 2 pints of 80-90WT gear oil (if memory serves). The units do not have a fill hole, as such, but do have a pipe plug drain in the bottom. I would not say it is permanently lubed, or sealed, however, it is not meant to be routinely serviced and is obviously designed to live where it won't get serviced.

David

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DE

05-21-1999 11:58:04




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 Re: What's the real story on Sherman Lubrication? in reply to Rich Koehler(OH), 05-21-1999 11:34:16  
I don't know about the permanent lube for the Sherman unit, but one thing is sure...the bell housing where the unit resides also contains the flywheel, clutch, throwout bearing, and the cross shafts for the left brake and the clutch pedals, which are relatively loose bushings. And there is a drain hole in the bottom with a cotter pin in it. There is no hydraulic/gear oil in this space (unless the seals are leaking, hence the drain hole).

Last night, I was looking at a friend's N and we were commenting on the hole in his bell housing where a Sherman shift lever used to be mounted. You can see inside. No liquids. My only qualifications are that I just tore mine down and replaced the clutch and seals, including the transmission seal whose purpose is to keep that fluid out of the space where the Sherman lives.

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