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Straight Cut Input Shaft

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Sean (TX)

10-10-2007 14:33:32




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Wonder Why Ford didnt put a race in this input shaft? Not sure if I should look for a new shaft or not. What do you think of this?
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Pretty much all apart now pulled the races today...Need parts to show up from YT....UPS went by today but didnt stop third party image

Keeping the old races to drive the new ones in...

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Sean (TX)

10-11-2007 15:59:55




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
Well it is completely disassembled. Just got the race out of the input shaft housing. I know the new one will go in easier...I need parts!!! Does YT send a tracking #? Ordered a week ago...Fun taking it apart...I like checking the old parts out. Never going to see parts with the ford logo again... :(

Here is the input housing and the race..

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Sean (TX)

10-11-2007 14:19:46




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Danny in CO, 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
Replacing all the bearings while im in there...Kept all the old races. Ill use those for installing the new races. All my bearings were on tight and the counter shaft and main shafts look good. I used 2nd gear to remove the bearing in that shaft.. All the gears are good to with the exception of the reverse idle gear and shaft. I got some used replacements for that. Ill have a look around for a brass drift..

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Sean (TX)

10-11-2007 03:11:34




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Hobo,NC, 10-10-2007 14:33:32  

Dan said: (quoted from post at 20:53:53 10/10/07) On my race retainers, I used a small two arm puller. I reversed the arms so the hooks stuck out, got them in the slots on the side, put the right size socket in between the arms to keep them from popping inward from the slots. Worked like a champ.

Dan


I thought about that but didnt have one. How did you drive the new bearings on?

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Ken(Ark)

10-11-2007 19:03:56




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-11-2007 03:11:34  
Theres a few ways to drive in bearings . Some people love these and some hate them . It does make it easy to apply equal pressure all the way around and there pretty handy on thin metal seals .Just though I would bring up an option - Ken(Ark)



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Dan

10-11-2007 04:47:43




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-11-2007 03:11:34  
I used the old races to drive the new ones in, and I used a brass drift to get the bearing in place on the shaft. The easiest way is to get a length of pipe (PVC will work) that fits on the inside ring and pound it in place. But I didn't have the right size for the input shaft bearing so I just used a brass drift and worked around the inside ring until it was fully seated. I used a socket the right size for most of the transmission bearings that sat on the end of the main and counter shafts, and the brass drift for the one that sat inward quite a bit on the rear side of the countershaft.

Not sure if you are replacing the bearings inside the tranny as well, if so, make sure the bearings on these main and countershafts are tight. All of mine were very loose and would spin on the shafts (not good). I lucked out again and located two very nice early 9N main and countershafts that were in great shape to replace my originals.

HTH,
Dan

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soundguy

10-10-2007 17:40:29




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
While not pristine, I have certainly put stuff back together in that condition and ran it till I sold it years later with no problems.

soundguy



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Sean (TX)

10-10-2007 17:09:03




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to DakotaDave, 10-10-2007 14:33:32  

Hobo,NC said: (quoted from post at 19:54:17 10/10/07) Looks good to me, If rite smooth run it. If the bearing looked good no doubt i would run it.

Thats one reason I want my hydraulic/trans/diffi clean as I can make it. No haft arse spray-wipe and go will clean it as it should B.


The bearing looked better.. Im putting all new bearings in it. If it gives me more trouble ill put in some helical gears out of a 2N in it..If I find a deal on a over/under ill put that in there instead...third party image

Dont worry the hydraulic system has had a complete cleaning...No spray and wipe. No more sludge.

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Dunk

10-10-2007 17:07:16




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Ramon, 10-10-2007 14:33:32  

Hobo,NC said: (quoted from post at 20:54:17 10/10/07) Thats one reason I want my hydraulic/trans/diffi clean as I can make it. No haft arse spray-wipe and go will clean it as it should B.


Are you startin on that agin!?!?!?

Well, no matter, I do agree with ya!!!

I been thankin about settin up me a still just to make some parts cleaner with.

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Hobo,NC

10-10-2007 17:49:42




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Dunk, 10-10-2007 17:07:16  
Hill NO I agree with the spray-wipe and go guys, it took me awhile to figger were they were coming from, see they support parts suppliers, parts are a dime a dozen so why waste the time to clean it, all these parts are sill available New, dime a dozen. Why would enny one want to preserve what they have when parts are so cheap. I changed the oil in a piece of equipment the other day and did not have the rite oil filter, what the hill i got haft the dirt out of it, add oil and let'er go. Hobo a wanna B hack'er call me king of Mchacker teck.

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Ken(Ark)

10-10-2007 18:53:17




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Hobo,NC, 10-10-2007 17:49:42  
SORRY , I didn't mean to hurt your feelings , I will never refer to you as a "Gentleman" or "This man is a great guy" again .

What part did you not understand ?

"I have nothing bad to say about them"

and

"I don't have any problem with any of the suppliers , I just really like the way _____ __ handles business"


Why should a guy that needs one bushing buy two ?

If a company wants to sell them that way , GREAT . If someone wants to buy that many , GREAT . If someone wants to buy someplace else , GREAT . If I want to say I like the way somebody does business , GREAT .

I did not disrespect you in any way and I am not going to apologize to anyone for speaking my opinion . If anyone disagrees with it I have the utmost respect for their opinion - Ken(Ark)


I will not reply to any future post on this subject as I do not intend to add any more clutter this GREAT site . Whom I may add is the only supplier I refer to when I post here . And yes I have purchased from them before and have not problem purchasing again . I will shop around as I do most of my purchases .

I have all the business I can do and have no problem telling people that call me on the phone where they can go to get a good job done , Heck Hobo , I have even told customers that have brought me the competitors bid that they should use him for that price . Its a free market and the door swings both ways .

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Hobo,NC

10-10-2007 20:34:55




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Ken(Ark), 10-10-2007 18:53:17  
So do ya think I need to go back and replace the oil filter or just leave it i got 65% of the dirt out of it, I think, its OK to run it that way ain't it.

Its just a golf cart engine, robin 2 cylinder. I spec the dealer would want 20 bucks fer one, ship'n would B a killer tho. I spec the guy I got it from never changed it and it has run fer'em no problem. Only 3 bolts hold it in the engine i can lift the cart rite EZ, whatcha think i mite B able to do a spray-wash go treatment and make it last a nutter 50 years.

Help me out I am broke and look'n for a silver bullet. I would wast 10 bucks to save time, drink'n time if you know what I mean.

I have heard Beers gonna go up so need to save all i kin, HELP, Just when i stared drink'n again beer goes up just my luck!! That's OK I will hack my way thru it.

NO BODY HATES that word more than I do but some have asked for it, just my opinion tho from a non gentleman Mchacker

Mite have to go back and read what i said, mite b off my rocker, Mite should have Quit drank'n and not stopped, I hear if you quit you can never start back but if you stop you kin pic up rite were ya left off.

What's my chances 50 for the better or 50 for the worst. Should i stop again or quit, when I stopped I pert near worked my self in the grave, I am skeered i will kill my self if I up and say I quit, never can go back wink wink.

I mite just b off my rocker

I mite go in the golf cart buissnes just to show them crooks I can play the game also.

I am in the tracot buissnes, sell parts play the game. I buy parts from ----- ----- them folks these folks----- --- Send folks their way. You can B a parts supplier 2 only takes a few grand lots of time and no profit, parts are CHEAP pleanty of folks with nuttin to do and no kidds in collage.

Git into the pats end of the deal make ebay rich

I was gonna tell ya how to fix a broken grill like I did Joe over their ----- but i think i will keep that tween me and Joe T (CO)

I will definitely be keeping an eye on your post to see what some of the other guys have to say

Mite look for a nutter use fer it, UNDERSTAND, Wink Wink

Mite just B off my rocker, if my good buddy will let me say that see'n as we mite become neighbors, he taint gonna git none of my pickled orka tho I don't like enny one that good Wink Wink

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Hobo,NC

10-10-2007 16:54:17




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
Looks good to me, If rite smooth run it. If the bearing looked good no doubt i would run it.
Thats one reason I want my hydraulic/trans/diffi clean as I can make it. No haft arse spray-wipe and go will clean it as it should B.



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Sean (TX)

10-10-2007 15:46:08




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Jack - Illinois, 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
Forgot to mention it took a big wrench and a BFH third party image



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Sean (TX)

10-10-2007 15:28:40




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Dell (WA), 10-10-2007 14:33:32  

Dunk said: (quoted from post at 18:17:58 10/10/07) Shaft:

I"m sure I would run it, till I had a good reason not too.

Although I don"t have the option to feel what the ridges feel like.

Race:

I looks like someone has been welding on your race though.... LOL!!


I put a couple beads on that one to see if it would help. Used a big wrench to pry it off. Had to put a block under it to pry it out the rest of the way.. Not sure if the weld helped or not.

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Dan

10-10-2007 17:53:53




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 15:28:40  
On my race retainers, I used a small two arm puller. I reversed the arms so the hooks stuck out, got them in the slots on the side, put the right size socket in between the arms to keep them from popping inward from the slots. Worked like a champ.

Dan



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Dunk

10-10-2007 15:40:55




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 15:28:40  
It is amazing how many uses there are for tools other than the intended purpose.

But then there are some, do's, and some don'ts even to that.

Just for one example, Don't use yer adjustable wrench for a hammer, no matter how mad you happen to git.

Never use yer 450 ft lb impact for replacing bolts, it is for removing them (exception: it being the 8N rear axel nut).

Like I said, many dos, and many don'ts.

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Dunk

10-10-2007 15:17:58




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
Shaft:

I"m sure I would run it, till I had a good reason not too.

Although I don"t have the option to feel what the ridges feel like.

Race:

I looks like someone has been welding on your race though.... LOL!!



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Dean

10-10-2007 15:06:00




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 Re: Straight Cut Input Shaft in reply to Sean (TX), 10-10-2007 14:33:32  
Ford omitted a replaceable race in the input shaft to reduce costs.

I would use the shaft pictured if it were mine.

Dean



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