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Wayne, NW La

10-18-2007 17:03:55




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I will be replacing the ring gear on the flywheel tomorrow. I have seen posts where people have tacked the ring gear to the flywheel. My neighbor says this is a bad idea-it will affect the temper of the ring gear.

Thoughts on this? Wouldn't mind a little "insurance." Don't want to have to split this thing again any sooner than I have to.

Wayne




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Wayne, NW La

10-19-2007 17:13:41




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
Hey Dunk,

This was the setup when I bought this N. I have since switched out the lift cover. Don't know why it was that way. It's right now.

Wayne



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Wayne of NW La

10-19-2007 15:49:10




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
New ring gear is in place. Seems good and tight so I won't tack weld it at this time. If it goes to slipping on the flywheel...we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Wayne



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Dunk

10-19-2007 16:22:18




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne of NW La, 10-19-2007 15:49:10  
You are going to take that to someone and let them surface it before you put it back in aren't you?



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Dunk

10-19-2007 16:30:32




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Dunk, 10-19-2007 16:22:18  
There are a couple of interesting lift modifications in one of your other pictures there...



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Jim Holtby

10-19-2007 13:23:08




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
I wouldn't recommend tack welding a new ring gear either. I used my brother's oxy-acetelyne rig to heat my new ring gear up to put on like Hobo's page says. I have no fear about it ever slipping. JMHO Jim.



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MikeT

10-19-2007 11:31:48




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
I had mine stick welded 2 years ago with no problems. Told the guy to spot well it at 6 places around the ring (tractor was split).

It wasn't slipping. The gear on the starter had pushed one side of the ring backwards to where it would no longer engage at that spot. I had to put the tractor into 4th gear and rock it back and forth until it found a spot where it would engage. Got tired of that and had it welded when it was in the shop to replace the clutch. This was with a 6 cyl funk conversion and I couldn't find another ring gear.

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soundguy

10-18-2007 20:37:26




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
I wouldn't start out aiming to do it.

If I was broke and had a ring gear that was spinning.. I'd take a crack at tacking it on.. but i wouldn't slap a ne wone on that was tight and otherwise good AND weld it.. etc.

soundguy



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Wayne, NW La

10-18-2007 20:36:15




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
Thanks everyone for the feedback. The original ring gear was spinning freely on the flywheel. Just hope the flywheel wasn't damaged. We'll know by this time tomorrow. If the new one doesn't grip like it should I'll probably tack it since several people have done it with no problems. Welding it through the starter hole...would have never thought of that!

Wayne



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wwildhorse2k

10-18-2007 19:51:35




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
I welded mine after having to split the tractor. The ring gear is not hardened -- its really rather soft. I used six, two inch long fillet welds equally spaced around the base of the gear. If the ring gear needs to be replaced again-- the welds can be ground out . I would definitely do it again. Good luck !!!



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JMOR

10-18-2007 18:33:18




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
I have two welded, both thru the starter hole, w/o splitting tractor & have had up to & running 9 years good results. There is nothing to lose...only the purist object.



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Ford 312

10-18-2007 18:17:10




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
Ring gear is tack welded on my 8N. Was done about five years ago and still working fine. I have heard some Chrysler vehicles came from the factory with the ring gear tack welded. Don't know if this is true or not.



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Sean (TX)

10-18-2007 17:57:56




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to soundguy, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
The subject comes up quite a bit. Seems to be cheap insurance. I have mine split now. Going to have a closer look at the ring gear. Didint look to bad at a quick glance. Didnt lokk for welds, Im going to have a closer look. Might as well do clutch and ring gear while im in there...Thinking lift piston to....MISSION CREEPthird party image

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Dunk

10-18-2007 17:47:03




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
{psssssttt} (mine's tacked, and I'm proud of it)



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Tom N MS

10-18-2007 17:51:41




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Dunk, 10-18-2007 17:47:03  
Mine too. Bet it'll be there for my Great-Grandkids..



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Dan

10-18-2007 17:07:19




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Wayne, NW La, 10-18-2007 17:03:55  
Shouldn't need to if it is installed correctly. I would NEVER do this, but if you must, at least wait until you see the ring gear is loose on the flywheel after installation.

Dan



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kyle morley

10-19-2007 08:58:30




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 Re: Tack welding ring gear in reply to Dan, 10-18-2007 17:07:19  
Mine was welded. I found it was when I split the tractor to figure out why the starter wasn't turning the engine. The welds had cracked. So it isn't the ulitmate cure that some think it is.

The gear was really loose, once the welds broke, so maybe whoever did it was asking too much from the weld. So I think even if I intended to weld it, I'd replace the gear to get the tightest fit possible. Though I just shrunk a new one on and its still there 20 years later.

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