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First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2

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motorv8N

10-18-2007 18:21:24




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Well, continue to live and learn and enjoy the benefit of all this experience on the road to my first tractor.

Regulars may remember my conundrum a week or two ago regarding a dealer selling a 49 8N traded in with no fan belt. General consensus was to either run away or lowball his $2,250 asking owing to inability to run it more than a minute or so.

I was comin down heavily on the run away option but...don't the dealer call me back last week saying they had worked something out with the owner about putting a belt on it and I could come up anytime. I thought about this a bit, remembering the various points of view then came to the decision to give it a try. Widget here had suggested the tractor buying process is something not necessarily to be rushed and getting exposure to multiple units in varying conditions is actually a useful exercise. Seems like good sense to me, so off I went.

I arrived with my Alberta farm boy father-in-law who's steely eyed gaze and lack of sentimentality was sure to keep me on the straight and narrow.

I must admit I did appreciate the dealer's attitude which was to drive it around front and say, "Have at 'er and let me know if you've got any questions" before getting outta our hair and going back inside.

So, I pulled out my John Smith buyers list and then the fun began.
At first glance I was encouraged to see the straight tin, lack of rust, almost perfect rad and gas tank although all covered by an admittedly inexpertly applied paint job (rad hoses, plugs, wires, all gooped up).

Then it was all downhill from there. By the time my FIL and I were done an hour later, I had a real good idea of what I WASN'T going to pay these guys.

List of woes below. I'm attempting to itemize from minor to major -- input always welcome.

-headlights for show only; nonstandard units with wires snipped off just inside doglegs, no switch

-bent/loose crankshaft pulley

-missing air cleaner to carb tube

-missing drawbar

-missing lift arm height adjuster

-oil lines leaking

-oil pan gasket sweating

-mix of rotted and newer, badly installed wiring

-shot bendix? (caught only every third or fourth try otherwise jes enthusiastic spinnin noises)

-no charge from generator according to ammeter (showed drain only, perhaps the real reason for starter problems)

-rear tires leaking with deep sidewall cracks and sections bulging

-slow, jittery 3 point action due to - we discover - almost zero hydraulic fluid

-very leaky pto seal (probably cause of item immediately above? Is the PTO low enough to be the cause of almost complete fluid loss?)

-cross members under rad bent inwards, centre bolt bent, spacer cracked (not sure why then the rad and grill was near perfect)

-clutch disk didn't grab til last inch of travel

-very sloppy steering, probably 40 degrees of rotation on the wheel required to begin deflection of front wheels; left wheel begins to turn much sooner than right

And...I saved best for last...

-oily, bubbly coolant

-exhaust marks on side of head between cyl 3 and 4 left side

-30 lbs compression in cyl 4 versus 80 in cyl 3

-10 lbs oil pressure warmed at idle; 25 lbs warm full throttle in neutral, belches lots of black smoke -- no blue though

So...not insurmountable but I'm thinking closer to a $500-$800 tractor as opposed to $2000 plus? Father-in-law didn't bat an eye. "We can fix it all, easy..." Think he actually wants to...This is her...

http://www.ironsearch.com/IRONSearch/details.aspx?IWNO=889167&ImgID=1

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motorv8N

10-20-2007 07:52:43




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
Thanks for all the replies folks. Not sure how I got the idea it was missing the crank but I did look at three tractors that day (that 8N, a Massey 35 we saw on the way as well as one I've never heard of before...a David Brown??) and they're all starting to blur together!

Definitely gonna give that one a miss, tho. Hmmm...pretty tin but rotten heart...reminds me of a few women I've known...

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Dave (Tx)

10-19-2007 12:03:55




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
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Well I enjoy working on N's and occasionally buy one on the cheap, fix it up and sell it. But from what you describe you have a peice of junk. If the tins are good I might pay $500 and part it out. If you're looking for something to "fix up" you can find a decent running/looking N in most regions for $1200 - $1500 easy. Here in East Texas you can buy a trailer queen for a little over $3000. Unless you have some sentimental attachement to tractor I'd pass for a better deal.

Probably spent in excess of $2500 getting this tractor into this shape but it was my dad's and has a lot of sentimental value...

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JFPJR

10-19-2007 06:42:59




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
I am pretty sure I see the lift arm height adjuster. At least the crank is there. What am I missing?



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DennyF

10-19-2007 10:40:30




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to JFPJR, 10-19-2007 06:42:59  
Perhaps he thought there should be an adjustable link on both sides, as it looks fine from here. Assume them catawhompus gizmos sticking up past the seat (which appears to be bent), are the drawbar stays?

Looks nice, but from the description it sounds like a max $1000 machine to me. Far too many 8Ns around my neck of the woods that need little done to them and are obtainable for $1800 to $2500 on a fairly regular basis.

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Dave H

10-19-2007 06:15:13




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
8N

Since you have no connection with that pile of junk i see no reason to buy it except for a parts tractor for no more than 500. Why beat yourself to death and spend mega bucks? That don't sound like fun to me.

I would rather hae fun on something that I did not get robbed to start with on.



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D Squared

10-19-2007 06:02:35




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
It has been my experiance over the years that a vehicle with fresh paint will bring more than one that is mechanically perfect. As I was going over your list , I was thinking maybe $500. Then I saw the oil in the radiator. It's time to walk. I bought mine about 10 years ago with a fresh overhaul and crappy paint for $2700. Cost me about $50 for a 20/20 paint job. He will laugh at you if you offer him what it is worth because someone else will buy it because it is "pretty". I think on his condition rating I would change it to a 2, maybe a 3 because of the paint.

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Spyder2000

10-19-2007 05:36:27




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
Amazing how good a paint job can look in a picture displayed on a web page.



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Ken(Ark)

10-19-2007 05:23:27




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
The good news is you still have 800,000 + to choose from .

The biggest question is - Do you need a tractor or want a hobby ?

If you need a tractor to work then you need to pass on this one , if you want a hobby then fash $1500 to $1800 cash and have fun , but plan on spending another $2k . The under $10 parts will easily eat up a grand before you know it .

Good hat rims are worth $200 each .

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TennesseeMan

10-19-2007 03:57:46




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
I agree with everyone, you did good by walking away. This is the reason I love this sight. You can get some sound advice and get your feelings hurt at the same time. But you are getting the honest truth. Good luck on you search.



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Joe (IN)

10-19-2007 03:28:06




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
If you're looking for a money pit, I'd say you found one. The bent radius rods are a pretty good indicator that the front end is worn out and the operator beat on it anyway. The steering box overhaul and front end rebuild are going to take a bunch of time and a fair amount of cash to sort out by themselves. Add to that a starter drive, charging system overhaul, a clutch, new tires, and possibly a hydraulic and engine overhaul, and I'd say it's going to be wanting about the asking price in parts and repairs to make it right again. Do you really want to tie up $5000 and the next 9 months of your time in a tractor that will still be waiting for you to go buy it an implement or two so it can be useful after your done?

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woodie

10-18-2007 22:27:27




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  

What's with the exhaust going up behind the drivers seat-and I'm not sure if the pic or not but it looks like the radius rod's are bent-Looks to me like it was cover and run so I would duck and run; however the metal looks straight-$800 to $1000 in my opinion-

Good luck,

Woodie



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JimH

10-18-2007 21:44:10




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
9 years ago I paid $2700 for a 49 8N. I always thought I paid too much for it, but, compared to the tractor your thinking of buying mine was a steal. There was nothing minor or "major" wrong with my 8n. Sure, it smoked out of every available oriface and while I never did a compression test I'm sure the thing was fairly weak by 8N standards. Even so, for nine years all I did was put gas and oil in the thing and I worked that poor tractor hard. It has never failed me which is why I am rebuilding the engine now, more out of guilt than need. I think you can do better, listen to the other guys on this board, they have never steered me wrong!

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soundguy

10-18-2007 20:30:32




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
I'm all for being gung-ho.. but for a first tractor.. I think that one is a 'walk-away' from type unit.

1/2 to 3/4 the items you mentioned are easilly fixed.. but you named a couple that will bite into your wallet and time.. and that's just to get her correctly operational.. nothing about restored.. etc.

You can take a mechanically perfect 2500$ tractor and drop 1000$ into restoring it without even trying real hard... and that one ain't mechanically sound yet...

soundguy

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John (TR)

10-18-2007 19:18:11




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
Thats a tuff spot as every seller thinks nis N is in great shape. Its going to take a lot of $ to make that one a reliable worker. Best not pay too much for it. Its a lot easier to drop 1000 into a 500 tractor than a 2500 tractor, trust me I know.



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Hobo,NC

10-18-2007 18:49:23




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
Bad part is some fool will come along and pay the price.

Bad part is it mite B worth 2K parted out if you werk for nuttin.

Nice straight hoods are hard to come by.

Bad part is i can see you having 5K in it in the end and have a 2200 dollar tractor, you can do better.



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Dan

10-18-2007 18:44:12




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
Heck - my first was a 1948 8N painted orange red and grey primer. The engine was cracked and brazed (and later discovered the cracks were internal and had to scrap the block), the PTO shaft was smooth and leaked, was touchy starting up, had farmerized wiring, bald weather checked tires, and leaked - and I happily paid $2,250 for it (I was green then). I have now spent well over $6,000 in two restoration phases and it doesn't see anything harder than pulling the hay wagon ride at my annual property celebration.

I have not regretted the money spent for one minute. Working on it is MORE than half the fun, and yours already looks nice.

Dan

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Bruce (VA)

10-18-2007 18:42:41




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 Re: First Tractor: What would you pros do?: Part 2 in reply to motorv8N, 10-18-2007 18:21:24  
Well yea, it can be fixed "easily" by someone w/ the ability, but not inexpensively! You've done a great job checking it out; your next step is to go on-line or get a good paper catalog & start pricing. If you even think it is broke, price it accordingly. Add at least $300 for machine shop work you (probably) can't do, like turning the crank, surfacing the flywheel, etc. When you're done, if the parts & shop work total total less than $2k, you will be lucky. Then, offer him $800. Chances are he won't take it, and you will probably be just as well off. You can find a working N in better condition for $2-3k in a lot of places.

Just my opinion! You will get others! Good luck on the hunt.

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