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Ron Tron

10-21-2007 08:10:22




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It amazes me that how much you guys want to help and make suggestions but don't bother to read the text carefully before you respond. That doesn' go for eveyone but the ones that don't are really hilarious to read..... ...

ANYWAY, again I have a 9N that I have put a new key switch, new plugs, rebuilt carb,new distrib cap, pertronix ignition, 12 volt altenator and wiring, the only thing that hasn't been replaced is the spark plug wires and yet it continues to be a pain to start when its cold or cool and damp.

I'm going to replace the plug wires but I don't think that is a problem because I plugged my ohm meter to them and their resistance is not out of wack.

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SteveB(OH)

10-22-2007 09:25:46




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  

Ron Tron said: (quoted from post at 08:10:22 10/21/07) It amazes me that how much you guys want to help and make suggestions but don't bother to read the text carefully before you respond.


It amazes me that you would ask for help after leading off with that sentence...third party image

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OKDAD

10-21-2007 18:59:43




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ken(Ark), 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
I agree!third party imagethird party imagethird party image

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Danny in CO

10-21-2007 15:49:22




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
I think either your blinker fluid is low or you need change the air in your tires! You've ruled out everything else.



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JerryCPP(WA)

10-21-2007 13:18:04




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
Once you have all the mechanical, fuel, and electrical stuff taken care of, an old-timer taught me a trick that starts my 8N 6-volt every time, even in -30 degree weather. Leave the ignition switch OFF, pull the choke, turn the engine over 4 times. Turn the switch ON, it will start on the first turn. Be ready with the choke until it runs without any choke. This prevents that irritating fire off - die, starter still whining.

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JerryCPP(WA)

10-21-2007 13:18:02




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
Once you have all the mechanical, fuel, and electrical stuff taken care of, an old-timer taught me a trick that starts my 8N 6-volt every time, even in -30 degree weather. Leave the ignition switch OFF, pull the choke, turn the engine over 4 times. Turn the switch ON, it will start on the first turn. Be ready with the choke until it runs without any choke. This prevents that irritating fire off - die, starter still whining.

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OKDAD

10-21-2007 11:43:48




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to motorv8N, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
Ron,

I'm gonna assume you are a pretty bright guy, checked the plug wires and determined they are OK. So this is what I would try next.

Do you have a heathy spark when cranking cold? Electronic ignitions + a weak battery/starter can cause cold start problems. Will it start cold when jumped with another battery? Does it crank at the same speed cold as hot?

Ike



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old

10-21-2007 10:21:33




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
You say new cap etc, but if I rememebr right your other post said they where a year old. A year old is no where near new and depending on how many hours you have on them they could well be wore out, and or cracked I.E. the cap or rotor that is



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Bruce (VA)

10-21-2007 10:06:51




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
Actually what amazes me is that you even bother to ask the same question twice. The last time you asked this question on 10/17, you got plenty of good advice & chose to ignore it by telling us it was not a spark or fuel problem.

Quote: it ain't spark and it ain't fuel..... ....if it was it wouldn't only have a problem in the cold..... .....perhaps its the plug wires..... ...where the BOB and or DELL we I need them..... ..... .....

Just what is it you think goes through those plug wires..... orange juice?

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Jack - Illinois

10-21-2007 09:16:31




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
Like Dell says - it's your insulation. Probably just like he says - the plug wires. If'n it isn't that then your rotor or distribuator cap. They get old and loose their shiny coating which lets moisture collect and the high voltage just goes every where except where it is suppose to.



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dlplost

10-21-2007 08:58:07




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
"I don't think that is a problem because I plugged my ohm meter to them and their resistance is not out of wack."

Just what do you consider "out of wack"?

If you can read ANY resistance in a plug wire, it's no good for an 8n. The wires should be copper cored with NO resistance. If you are using modern automotive resistor wires, It's gonna start hard in the cold damp weather...



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Dell (WA)

10-21-2007 08:23:32




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
Ron..... ...it ain'chur plug wires, its'chur plug wire INSULATION. And ohm-meters can't check INSULATION. Why? Insulation by its very nature is extremely high resistance, as in multi-megohms. Even the best digital ohm-meter can only measure to about 20-megs. Insulation is over 1000-megs. That is why yer multi-kilovolt sparkies can dance on the outside of yer BAD insulation, when it gitts old and stiff and cracked. Yer COPPER-core sparkie wire insulation should be soft and flexible like limp wet noodle.

Of course, iff'n you don't believe me, start yer tractor up on DARK-NITE and watch the sparkies dance on the insulation.

Byte the bullet, and replace yer old dead dry stiff sparkie wires with NEW soft flexible COPPER core (cut to fit) sparkie wire. Remember yer firing order is 1,2,4,3, CCW..... ...Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Wisconsin Cowman

10-21-2007 08:21:50




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Ron Tron, 10-21-2007 08:10:22  
If it is cold out then I would suggest you put a tank heater on it.



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RP-40-9n

10-21-2007 09:33:57




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 Re: starting in the cold weather in reply to Wisconsin Cowman, 10-21-2007 08:21:50  
be sure that all the gaskets in the distributor are good and that all surfaces are tight and snug, otherwise moisture in cold damp weather will kill you. RP



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