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Sean (TX)

10-24-2007 14:23:49




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All the parts are inthird party imagewhat is the best way to remove the old ring gear? How hot does the new one need to be to drop it on the fly wheel?




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Sean (TX)

10-31-2007 12:58:25




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to woodie, 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Got mine off last week by drilling a hole and taking a chisel to it. Took less then 10 minutes...



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Tex - Driftwood

10-26-2007 06:43:20




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
mmmmm mmmBBQ



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Sean (TX)

10-25-2007 16:54:26




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Bruce (VA), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Well a oven dont cut it. My oven can be set at 550....What did work...BBQ put with charcoal mixed with cedar. Dropped right on third party image third party image

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Dunk

10-24-2007 19:20:06




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
I think I just need to go git some oxygen, or maybe just some smoke!!

Hang in there!!

We all in this world together, no matter what you may think at the time.



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Sean (TX)

10-24-2007 19:17:42




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to EdA, 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Not to mention I like to have several opinions..Flywheel is still in the deep freeze...



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Sean (TX)

10-24-2007 19:13:59




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to EdA, 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Well to tell you truth Dunk. I posted that.. Then thought about how I removed the collar on the rear axle....I was drilling a hole in it before you posted that. Matter of fact I had that old ring gear off before I read any of the replies... I did read HOBOS page. Think I need to get some oxygen for my torch...



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Dunk

10-24-2007 18:48:04




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
I'll tell you I am a tad perturbed, Sean.

I posted first, and from your later questions, there is no doubt, that you decided that Hobo's page wasn't worth reading.

What gives there?

I am a very forgiving person, but I can't figger out why you would not click on that link I posted for you, and know which way the bevel went??!?

God Bless us all, each and every one.

And then as you know, I may just be off my rocker.

I haven't had anything good to drank since Sunday, and I was getting worried about my Budweiser stock..

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Paul in MN

10-24-2007 18:37:10




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
I just did a ring gear replacement 2 weeks ago. I did read the FO-4 which said to heat gear to 250F, so I used BBQ and heated to 500F. No way would it go over the slight step on the pressure plate side of the flywheel. I tried with oxy-propane torch and could not get it hot enough all around. The dealer I bought the parts from said that these parts (ring gears) today need to be brought up to a dull red heat all around. So I set up the propane "dragon's breath" torch and build a temp oven out of a dozen firebrick. Now I could get it hot enough (dull red all around) that it slipped over the step on the flywheel. When someone says to look for the taper side, they are referring to the inside edge (ID) of the gear. One side has a slight taper (champhered edge)to help you get it in place as you tap it down on the flywheel. This champhered edge goes on first, and actually faces the front of the tractor when the flywheel is installed. This champhered edge will be completely hidden when it is correctly installed. The taper has nothing to do with the starter engaging the ring gear teeth. If you put the ring gear on "backwards" by putting the squared inner edge on the flywheel first, and you can get it into a fully seated position, then it will make no difference to how the starter engages the teeth.

Do not quench the hot ring gear, you will make it way too brittle. Once I had it tapped firmly into place, I covered it with dry wood ash to slow the cooling, and help assure that it will be of uniform temper.

It went on easily when dull red, and shrunk tight so that there is no slippage after cooling and installation in the tractor.

The easy way to remove the old ring gear is to use the "red wrench" and make 2 cuts 180 deg apart that get close to the flywheel edge. Then it is only 2 or 3 hits with a stout cold chisel and the BFH and the ring gear will split and nearly fall off.

I wasted a couple of days trying other more gentle methods to remove and reinstall, but this is what worked for me.

Good luck!

Paul in MN

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Sean (TX)

10-24-2007 15:37:59




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Hobo,NC, 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
I was referring to the bevel on the inside of the ring. But after having a closer look I see the gears are beveled. The gears are beveled on the opposite side of the inner gear. Makes since. Flywheel just went into the deep freeze. Just got it back from the machine shop today. I will freeze it for atleast 24 hours. Might let it sit in there till friday. Ill cook the ring for 30 minutes at 500...

Thanks!!

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Hobo,NC

10-24-2007 15:25:32




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Just for kicks i had a differential ring gear to install and always heat them on my gas grill. Well why I had the grill fired up I also had a ring gear to install on a ford pic"em up. My grill will git 2 700 degrees. I heated to 450/500 or so for 30 min. and the ring gear went on with a lite tap. I still prefer the torch tho its quicker. A fried of mine told me he pours diesel on the ground in a circle and sets the ring gear off the ground on top of the fire and lites the diesel up. I spec you could build a fire and use the coals to heat it up what ever werks for ya.

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Sean (TX)

10-24-2007 15:02:50




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to BillM (OH), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Drilled a couple holes in it and split it with the cold chisel. Which way is up on the new ring gear? The old one looked the same on both sides. The new one has a bevel on one side?



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Tom N MS

10-24-2007 15:19:57




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 15:02:50  
Bevel goes toward the rear of the tractor since the bendix moves toward the front of the tractor.



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Bob

10-24-2007 14:42:26




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Take a hammer and a fairly large "cold chisel" and insert the chisel between adjacent teeth and strike it a few times, expanding the ring gear. After you do this at three or 4 locations around the flywheel, the ring gear will fall off.

The ring gear has to be AT LEAST as hot as you can get it in the POSSLQ's (IF applicable) kitchen oven.

It doesn't hurt, either, to toss the flywheel in the freezer overnight, then take it out as the ring gear finishes "baking".

Have the flywheel at hand, grab the hot ring gear with oven mitts, or leather gloves, and quickly drop it in place on the flywheel. If it's hot enough, it will simply FALL in place, then quickly shrink TIGHT. (Make SURE to have it laying correct-side-up!)

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soundguy

10-24-2007 14:39:13




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
I imagine it will need to be at least 400-500'.. but don't get it glowing red.

also might help if ya freeze the flywheel... every thousandth helps ya know..

soundguy



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Dunk

10-24-2007 14:39:10




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 Re: Ring Gear in reply to Sean (TX), 10-24-2007 14:23:49  
Hobo explains it pretty well...

Hobo's Flywheel Page



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