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Could wet/dry 'sandpaper' cause short with points?

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Britcheflee

10-25-2007 07:29:51




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I had a problem earlier this week where my IH truck just died after running perfectly for a few miles - after determining it was electrical I then checked points, opening them etc - it started for a few moments then just died again - decided to take points out - after doing so and seeing they were like new I looked inside the distributor and at the bottom was a small triangle of black stuff - took it out and after some inspection decided it was a bit of 'wet/dry' sand paper (which I know is not sand - some other abrasive stuff) it was a bit which had broken off when I inserted some into the points to clean them - do you think this could have shorted out the points? Its the paper you use to rub down paint/metal when doing bodywork? Other than that I cannot see any reason for it to stop like that - I have to drive over to where it is parked (fortunately at a garage where I know the guy) and replace points - hopefully that will do the trick but just was wondering if I had found the likely culprit.

Lee

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36 coupe

10-29-2007 03:39:21




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 Re: Could wet/dry 'sandpaper' cause short with points? in reply to Britcheflee, 10-25-2007 07:29:51  
The black triangle under the point gap may be caused by oil vapors coming up the dist shaft.Use a diamond paddle file to clean points.They come in 3 grits and wont leave any residue.I have cleaned points with a pocket knife and got the engine going again.



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JerryCPP(WA)

10-25-2007 13:07:38




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 Re: Could wet/dry 'sandpaper' cause short with points? in reply to Britcheflee, 10-25-2007 07:29:51  
Back in the dark ages, before electronic ignition, the rule was use ONLY flint paper or stick to dress the points, as ANY other sandpaper would leave imbedded particles in the contacts and cause shorting and/or burning of the points.



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duey

10-25-2007 12:02:12




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 BASIC IGNITION in reply to Britcheflee, 10-25-2007 07:29:51  
To generate electricity, there are three elements. First, you need a conductor (wire)… second, you need a magnetic field… And third, you need relative motion between them. This happens in every generator, alternator, magneto and also in a battery powered ignition coil.

The way points and ignition systems works is sort of like this:

When the points CLOSE, the current flows through the COIL primary windings and a magnetic field is built up. This magnetic field surrounds the thousands of turns of fine wire in the coil. The build-up is relatively SLOW in terms of the speed of electricity.

When the points OPEN, the magnetic field is no longer supported by the current flow and it collapses RAPIDLY… it is this falling magnetic field that generates the spark needed to fire the plugs.

So, if you found some contamination in your POINTS, it probably interfered with the OPEN/CLOSE cycles mentioned above. No battery current flow, no spark!!

The condensor’s job is to take the ‘roughness’ out of the current flow starts/stops… it preserves the life of the points.

This is a basic explanation and does not cover all the nuances of keeping the spark plugs happy.

Have fun!! duey

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soundguy

10-25-2007 07:38:26




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 Re: Could wet/dry 'sandpaper' cause short with points? in reply to Britcheflee, 10-25-2007 07:29:51  
Short em out? No.. I doubt it... Mkae them have conduction problems ( open ).. maybee.

I only use sand paper as a last resort on points.

I much prefer to use a proper ignition hone or simple coarse paper.. like thick brown paper bag.

Sand paper leaves many pits and grooves/gouges ont he points surface.. actually reducing the surface area for conduction. when you reduce the surface area, you make the remaining surface area conduct that much more current ( per unit area ).. also.. sand paper can leave microscopic pieses of grit.. garnete.. whatever..e tc.. if this material keps the points from closing good.. you get arcing and burning.. this causes pits.. etc, and rough gouges that also prevent good surface area contace.

Any time i clean points with a file.. or if in emergency, sand paper.. i always still pull clean paper thru the points to remove any leftover debri... I I do use sand paper.. i try to use an ultra fine.. like.. 1000 or 2000.. anything more and you might as well remove them and rub them acrosss the roadway or concrete sidewalk..

Check yer condensor... intermittant and short runs, especially with points burning usually indicted band condensor.

One last thing.. when clening points.. try not to remove much metal ifa any at all.. the surface metal is polished and harder than the base metal of the cotacts.. plus you don't want excess metalic particles littering the insides of your distribuitor.. etc..

soundguy

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Britcheflee

10-25-2007 07:50:02




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 Re: Could wet/dry 'sandpaper' cause short with points? in reply to soundguy, 10-25-2007 07:38:26  
OK, I have a new condensor to put in there - will do that.



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